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Do Not Say We Have Nothing

Auteur(s): Madeleine Thien
Narrateur(s): Angela Lin
Durée: 20 h et 11 min
4 out of 5 stars (44 évaluations)

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Madeleine Thien's new novel is breathtaking in scope and ambition, even as it is hauntingly intimate. With the ease and skill of a master storyteller, Thien takes us inside an extended family in China, showing us the lives of two successive generations - those who lived through Mao's Cultural Revolution in the mid-20th century; and the children of the survivors, who became the students protesting in Tiananmen Square in 1989, in one of the most important political moments of the past century. With exquisite writing sharpened by a surprising vein of wit and sly humor, Thien has crafted unforgettable characters who are by turns flinty and headstrong, dreamy and tender, foolish and wise.

©2016 Madeleine Thien (P)2016 Recorded Books

Ce que les critiques disent

"This audiobook marries a haunting, compelling story and a memorable performance by its narrator. Angela Lin reads with assurance, confidence, and a gentleness that captures the mood of the story.... Lin also uses her impeccable Chinese language skills to pronounce the names and keywords that dot the text, lending credibility and atmosphere to this lyrical audiobook." ( AudioFile)

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Au global

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  • Au global
    4 out of 5 stars
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  • Tee
  • 2018-04-02

Like Slow Poetry

The events are set against the tumultuous formative years of modern China. The story tells of the lives of three musicians and their families, including during the Cultural Revolution and the Tiananmen student protests decades later. There are beautiful moments and sad moments. Despite the tumult, there is little anger or angst in the telling. Rather, the events are woven together like a poetry or a song ballad. The story develops in a slow, even pace. The narration is in a gentle tone, almost somnolent at times.

If there is a real Big Mother Knife out there, I would love to meet her. To me, she epitomises the strength of the Chinese, both wise and pragmatic, and action oriented. Although she has a relatively secondary role in the overall story, her sayings punctuate the story and are both punchy and funny.

6 personnes sur 6 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    4 out of 5 stars
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    3 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars

reader speaks very slowly

I loved this book and its story. However the reader speaks VERY slowly. Thankfully in Audible the speed can be altered.

4 personnes sur 4 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    1 out of 5 stars
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    1 out of 5 stars
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    1 out of 5 stars

Can’t finish it

Tried and tried many times, just couldn’t get into it properly. I have no idea what it’s about now. Since it’s been such a challenge. I’ll have to give up on it and that’s a rare thing for me. (7-1/2 hours left)

  • Au global
    3 out of 5 stars
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    2 out of 5 stars
  • Histoire
    3 out of 5 stars

Insightful, Poetic, Deep

Excellent story, poor reader, which is too bad. I think I would have benefitted by reading the book myself rather than listening to it. There are so many layers to this story that multiple reads overtime would surely bring out more. As rich as a Timothy Findlay novel!

  • Au global
    2 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
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    1 out of 5 stars

Pretty much hated it

The performance was fantastic. She is a great reader. The story itself was terrible. Disjointed and, with exception of a few bits here and there, totally boring. Perhaps I would have liked it more if I were Chinese.

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  • Au global
    4 out of 5 stars
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  • Amazon Customer
  • 2017-02-13

Devastating and complex

Would you consider the audio edition of Do Not Say We Have Nothing to be better than the print version?

I had a conversation with a friend who read the book. I had no idea how one could read it, given all the subtleties of the Chinese language that were brilliantly narrated. My friend had no idea how one could listen to it, because it was such a complicated story.

Would you be willing to try another book from Madeleine Thien? Why or why not?

I would possibly try a future book by this author, but not soon.

Which scene was your favorite?

There was a beautiful scene of a noodle-selling woman who offered hungry student protesters something to eat for free. It was all she had to offer. The tenderness of the exchange and conversation was uplifting in the midst of a confrontation that lacked humanity and decency.

Was there a moment in the book that particularly moved you?

I was struck by the random violence and targeted violence of mobs and political movements that care nothing and know nothing about the lives they destroy. Deep meaningful life is sacrificed for political ideologies and slogans that get repeated but no one really knows what they mean. The fear of being a thinking creative person in times of revolution was palpable. Thien's writing pulls the listener into the dread and danger of daily living without falling into graphic descriptions of violence.

Any additional comments?

I do have to admit, a lot of the long expositions and explanations of music, math and literature were lost on me. It was not an easy book to follow, but its subject matter and characters will stay with me.

8 personnes sur 8 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    5 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
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  • barbara
  • 2016-11-25

Moving, timely, compassionate

Any additional comments?

This book really stunned me. It will live with me for a long time. I am amazed at Madeleine Thien's storytelling expertise, and the way she wove the history of the Cultural Revolution and its aftermath through the stories of the extended family and friends at the novel's core. At times, as an audiobook, I occasionally struggled in my attempts to track the narrative arc, because the narrative shifts back and forth between past and present a lot. But despite that small difficulty, I was awed by the book's mastery; it is gigantic and tender at the same time. I think it's a must-read for everyone, particularly in these post-Trumpian times.

7 personnes sur 7 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    5 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
  • Babs
  • Ottawa, ON, Canada
  • 2017-01-01

I will live with this book for a long time

Literally just finished it, so it's probably too soon to write a proper review. I confess that it took me a while to get into the story -- would probably have been easier with a regular book -- but then I became hooked. I am so moved by the scope of this novel and by the characters, especially that of Sparrow, the composer forced to become a laborer and factory worker during the Cultural Revolution. The book made me sad and angry because of the lives wasted and destroyed by political ideology and mob rule. But I feel as if Ms. Thien has given voice in this beautiful novel to those who were lost and damaged by the Cultural Revolution and the events in Tianmen Square. I thought the narrator did a fantastic job. I have an e-book version of this, so I think I will go back and "read-read" it to soak in all the details. But before that, I'm dying to do some research on the period of Chinese history she writes about -- I visited there three years ago but want to put this story in its historical context. Thank you, Ms. Thien!

4 personnes sur 4 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    5 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
  • RI in Canada
  • 2016-10-28

Should have won the Booker

At the midpoint of this book, I was more puzzled than impressed. The story begins somewhat disjointed and its cast of characters is difficult to keep track of. However, as the story proceeds into the second half, it comes together, the various threads get unified. The main character in the frame narrative is Marie, who serves as the narrator/investigator trying to piece together a past. But the true story is the story of Sparrow, a gifted composer who is devastated by the Chinese cultural revolution. It weaves together his family's story with that of his brilliant student and friend Kai, who escapes to Canada but does not really escape. The story is somewhat plodding through the details of the cultural revolution, but as it moves inexorably forward toward the events at Tiananmen Square in 1989 the story becomes powerful and compelling. There are some remarkable twists in the plot, some beautifully true portraits of characters who live within the constraints that silence them or cause them to bristle.

Because Sparrow, Kai, and Zhuli are musicians, the story draws on many musical motifs; sometimes I felt like there was more there than I was grasping. I'd love to hear a musician's response to this book. Also, the book goes through 50 years of Chinese history and I know little of that. But that was not an impediment to understanding the story or feeling its fundamental truth.

Having now read two of the Man-Booker nominees, I can say that this would have been a much better selection than the Sell-out. Indeed, I think the jury sold out. This book is beautifully crafted, subtle in its writing, and addressing important global themes.

13 personnes sur 15 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    3 out of 5 stars
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    3 out of 5 stars
  • Blythe
  • Alberta (formerly California)
  • 2017-06-12

A sweeping story of China across generations

Any additional comments?

A sweeping epic that tells the story of two families from 1950s China to present day Canada. The perspective jumps around between many different members of the families, though two of the main characters are Marie and Ai-Ming, whose fathers' friendship connect the two families. Through the experiences of the families and through a fictional story that becomes closely woven into the family's self-identity, the reader gains an understanding of what life was like in China under Chairman Mao and the communist party, culminating in a first-person view of the student massacre in Tiananmen Square in the 90s.

The historical details appear to be accurate and well researched, and the characters are generally interesting although I didn't find any of them truly grabbed me on a personal level. I found this slow reading at times, and the frequent jumps of perspective and timeline got confusing and a bit annoying in places; really didn't feel as if it was necessary to jump around quite so much. I also found myself getting a little impatient with all the back-and-forth of the story, since you can tell from fairly early in that the book is going to culminate in Tiananmen Square, and keeps hinting at it, but takes ages and many detours to get there.

I'm sure this is a book that reveals more and more, and is more deeply appreciated, on subsequent rereadings. It deserves 4 stars on that merit. However, based on my personal enjoyment of it as pure entertainment value, 3 stars.

3 personnes sur 3 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    2 out of 5 stars
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    4 out of 5 stars
  • Elfynn1
  • 2017-03-03

Difficult To Follow

This book had a good story to tell.

It was a Book Club choice, and one member said she had drawn a chart in order to keep track of the characters, there were a lot. Finally she just gave up on the book.

As an audio listener I gave up trying to keep track of who and where I was in the story and just listened. I know I would have gotten so much more from the story if it had been laid out better.

Set in a foreign country with names that were unfamiliar and some that were quite similar to one another compounded the difficulty. This especially when you were with a character in the present and suddenly you were on a journey through their memory.

Wonderfully descriptive settings and characters, but such a struggle to follow.

All the elements were there to make it a four and a half star but at best it was a three.

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  • Au global
    2 out of 5 stars
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  • Eva K Jensen
  • 2017-05-17

I loved the narator's voice

The language was very poetic, but I found the story all over the place and the constant references to music tidious. I think it would be fantastic to have the music the characters mention added to the background of the audio.

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  • Au global
    1 out of 5 stars
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    1 out of 5 stars
  • Maraia
  • Port Chester, NY United States
  • 2017-03-19

Disjointed and complex

I did not finish this book. I was interested in it because of the history. I find the story too hard to follow.

2 personnes sur 2 ont trouvé cette évaluation pertinente

  • Au global
    5 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
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    5 out of 5 stars
  • Onegreendoggy
  • Maryland
  • 2016-12-02

sad but real

excellent historical fiction about China. interesting language and sorry, but overall melancholy. narration was great.

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  • Au global
    3 out of 5 stars
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    3 out of 5 stars
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    3 out of 5 stars
  • Nicole Del Sesto
  • 2016-10-17

Uneven

This book was pretty uneven for me. It suffered from what I now call "The Goldfinch" effect, where the author is enamored of something and they want to make us enamored of it, so they drive the point home over and over and over to the degree it becomes irritating. It also gives the book a bit of an air of pretension. In this case, classical music is the culprit. OMG - I get it. But your words can't make me hear the music, no matter how well they are written, so enough already.

There was also a book within a book which is another thing that irritates me. Because everybody just loves this other book, and and it's so important in so many lives, but there was never enough to make it important to me so it just took up space. (and contributed to a trite point at the end, which I'm choosing to ignore.)

Another dead horse in this book were Chinese characters, and calligraphy, and frankly that could have enhanced the story if it wasn't competing with the classical music and the book within the book.

It is a multi-generational sweeping family epic, and it's also historical fiction. It's told non-linear, which is fine. The thing is, there was nothing particularly original about any of it to me except for the setting. I was often confused while reading it (admittedly my Chinese history knowledge is basically nil) and now that I'm done I'm still confused. That may just be me trying to reconcile what I just learned in the context of what I thought I knew.

I didn't know if I was going to finish, but I had bought two copies (one print one audio) so I felt like I needed to give it a full chance, and I'm very glad I did. Because while I struggled through the first half, the second half really picked up for me. About half-way through the 2nd half I was giving it 3, maybe 3.5 stars and by the end I thought it really came together and I appreciated some of the ways things came together.

All in all - worth reading. Award worthy? Not for me. It was just too flawed and structurally unoriginal

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