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The early Christian Church was a chaos of contending beliefs. Some groups of Christians claimed that there was not one God but two or twelve or thirty. Some believed that the world had not been created by God but by a lesser, ignorant deity. Certain sects maintained that Jesus was human but not divine, while others said he was divine but not human. In Lost Christianities, Bart D. Ehrman offers a fascinating look at these early forms of Christianity and shows how they came to be suppressed, reformed, or forgotten. All of these groups insisted that they upheld the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, and they all possessed writings that bore out their claims, books reputedly produced by Jesus's own followers. Modern archaeological work has recovered a number of key texts, and as Ehrman shows, these spectacular discoveries reveal religious diversity that says much about the ways in which history gets written by the winners.

Ehrman's discussion ranges from considerations of various "lost scriptures" - including forged gospels supposedly written by Simon Peter, Jesus's closest disciple, and Judas Thomas, Jesus's alleged twin brother - to the disparate beliefs of such groups as the Jewish-Christian Ebionites, the anti-Jewish Marcionites, and various "Gnostic" sects. Ehrman examines in depth the battles that raged between "proto-orthodox Christians" - those who eventually compiled the canonical books of the New Testament and standardized Christian belief - and the groups they denounced as heretics and ultimately overcame. Scrupulously researched and lucidly written, Lost Christianities is an eye-opening account of politics, power, and the clash of ideas among Christians in the decades before one group came to see its views prevail.

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Very informative

Will listen again. Lots of useful information to help people understand that they believe in a fairytale.

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  • J'oli
  • 2019-12-31

“Infallible word of god” Not so much.

A must read for anyone who believes their Holy Book is the “infallible word of god.” A lot of people, a previous version of my self included, were and have been taught to believe the Bible was the literal word of god, passed on from generation to the next, unadulterated and uncut. That’s simply a bald faced lie.

People have based their whole lives and have killed others because of the (poor) writings of uneducated sheep herders and primitive backwoodsmen. And not even the original works of said primitives, but copies of copies! Insane.

It was very interesting to read about what got taken out and how we came to have the New Testament we have today. The story about James commanding was laughable but then no more laughable than a lot of the crazy stuff that’s STILL in the Bible. The section on Gnostics was very interesting and who knew there was another female apostle (I don’t recall her name) who men deleted from the Bible because she was emboldening women. Figures. I also enjoyed the chapter about The Gnostics. Almost wish they would’ve taken off just to see what sort of world we would have now. Although perhaps there’s a parallel universe out there where Gnosticism became the dominant form of Christianity. That’s fun to think about.

Anyway, great, objective presentation. Would recommend.

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  • NM to NY
  • 2020-02-29

Excellent book, reader made some mistakes

Excellent book for the intellectually curious, believers or non-believers, who want to know more about Christianity in its first three centuries.

The reader's pace and tone were fine, but shouldn't a professional reader look up words he doesn't know? is it understandable to repeatedly mispronounce Athanasius? Maybe, but like, he's a major figure and you said his name at least 30 times...maybe check to make sure you know it. But how can a professional reader not know the pronunciation of prophesy? Of confidant? Of theologian, for God's sake? Can I get this job? Would it matter to Audible that I would look things up and say them correctly?

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  • Amazon Customer
  • 2016-03-14

Conclusions matter

I thought this book was quite good. I, as a person who believes in Christianity intellectually, found myself agreeing with him on many points; however, his conclusions were the parts of this particular book that I found myself to be at ods with. I learned a great deal from this book and recommend it to those who are interested in studying early Christianities. His description of the gnostics helped me gain a deeper understanding and appreciation for them that I did not even close to have before reading this book.

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  • Margaret
  • 2014-01-06

The Early Church(es)

While I enjoyed Bart Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus, I think I like this one was even better.

Here we are taken through a tour of the first generations following the death of Jesus and the many forms of Christianity that they practiced. He discusses why some flourished (able to claim ties to the antiquity of the Hebrew scriptures) and why some sects floundered (disagreements over the role of women.) It was very easy to follow along and see how each event contributed to the scripture and the forms of Christianity that have been handed down to us today.

I was just as fascinated with the stuff that almost made it into the New Testament (letters from Clement, Titus for example) as those that did.

Ehrman goes on to provide a clear context to understand the books of the Apocrypha as well. A lot of verses I never understood before suddenly made perfect sense when I was oriented in the right cultural beliefs. For example, in the Gospel of Thomas (alleged to have been written by Didamus Judas Thomas, Jesus's twin, but debunked by scholars) it says that women must become men to reach the Kingdom of God, Ehrman explains that Neo Platonists did not see the human race as having two genders, but only one. Ancients believed that women were males who never developed properly! Needless to say, that had never occurred to me. Suddenly, all became clear.

While this book may be too introductory for experts, it was fascinating to a lay person like me. Recommend.

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  • Frankie Marie
  • 2019-10-31

Exceptional!

Like everything of Bart Ehrman's, informative and fascinating. Easy for a layperson but focuses on a different aspect than his other works.

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  • DavidSanFran
  • 2015-08-24

A hard slog but worth the effort

A great reader, subject matter is interesting, at times a bit boring, still a worthwhile listen.

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  • Ian Huntington
  • 2019-06-09

Scholarly not overly sensationalist.

As a seminarian I knew there was diversity in the early church and I appreciate this studious explanation.

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  • Laufer Laszlo
  • 2015-11-26

Essential book to understand the formation of Christianity from Judaism

This book helps a lot to reveal tge evolufion of the Christian religion from the time of Jesus till tge Nicene Creed. A bit to extensively, but in a good style :)

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  • Tim Presley
  • 2018-01-27

awesome learning experience as always

we forget that Christianity has changed considerably over time. some ideas come back into style after an era.

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  • Brian E. Kennemore
  • 2021-03-22

bible bust

christian hit piece...no facts...only the word of rome. book kills itself...projections...looking in the mirror