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Why Kids Kill

Inside the Minds of School Shooters

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Why Kids Kill

Auteur(s): Peter Langman PhD
Narrateur(s): Matthew Josdal
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Ten years after the school massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, school shootings are a new and alarming epidemic. While sociologists have attributed the trigger of violence to peer pressure, such as bullying and social isolation, prominent psychologist Peter Langman, argues here that psychological causes are responsible.

Drawing on 20 years of clinical experience, Langman offers surprising reasons for why some teens become violent. Langman divides shooters into three categories, and he discusses the role of personality, trauma, and psychosis among school shooters.

From examining the material evidence of notorious school shooters at Columbine and Virginia Tech to addressing the mental states of the violent youths he treats, Langman shows how to identify early signs of homicide-prone youth and what preventive measures educators, parents, and communities can take to protect themselves from the tragedy.

Contains mature themes.

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Clinical Psychologist & PhD Peter Langman takes 10 sample cases of School Mass Shooters to exemplify a list of three categories of responsible individual: Psychopaths (egocentric, self-serving sociopaths), Psychotics (mentally ill), and "Traumatized" (PTSD-driven emotional wrecks).
He argues that these are first and foremost DISTURBED teenagers - not *normal* kids that were driven to act by loneliness, bullying, too-easily-available guns, etc. Langman uses DSM-IV criteria for Psychiatric Diseases and Personality Disorders in a well-reasoned attempt to stratify perpetrators. It's well-written, thought-provoking, and richly colored with impressively-researched illustrative witness interviews and patient writings (he clearly went DEEP into the forensic evidence to mine anecdotes).
Less fortunately, the structure is somewhat scattershot (I don't think that I could write an outline for a syllabus if this was offered as a course), and some of his contributive posits are a bit of a stretch (Dylan Klebold mimicking Manson-followers, for example).

The distinctly "adequate" presentation is a little bit disappointing, too. Don't get me wrong, Matthew Josdal turns in a creditable performance (his diction, cadence, and tone are commendable).. but Josdal's persistent natural sibilance is occasionally overwhelming, and Tantor Audio engineers sometimes fail to mix spliced/re-recorded segments into the recording seamlessly. Overall, it's not a *bad* listening experience per se.. it's just that I've heard better.

Altogether, 'Kids That Kill' merits 7/10-stars. As a 'Plus' selection, the audiobook was a great cerebral way to spend a couple of frozen afternoons.. but even if you're invested/interested in Psychology, spend your Credit on something else should they ask for one.

[NOTE: the final couple of Chapters - where Langman applies his paradigm to understand "near-miss" teenagers that were committed before they might have carried out tragedies - are riveting]

Fascinating Proposed Classification

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The book was very good, overall pretty accurate and recognizes its own mis-steps (ex. There is a slight error regarding the columbine shooting — he cites Eric Harris as saying “peekaboo” before shooting someone in the library, this never happened — he mentioned that there might be some errors in this regard at the start of the book). The arguments are good, and overall the descriptions are good, and I think that it provides a great reference from the psychological point of view, but it is a little too sanctioned within the psychology discipline, and discounts the social factors that contribute to school shootings. It also over-simplifies “trauma” and the impact it has on someone, as well, it does not consider that trauma, or a traumatic situation might look different and greatly vary from person to person. As someone who studies columbine and other school shootings from a criminological point of view, I personally found the description of Dylan Klebold quite accurate, but I do not agree with the categorization that this author puts him under (and after chatting with someone who knew Dylan personally, and another Columbine Researcher, we both disagree and find that this book ignores various other factors that contributed to his crimes, and over-simplifies the impact of rejection, anger and trauma on him (and eric)) as well as ignores that someone can easily perceive rejection, with or without the actual existence of rejection (rejection sensitive dysphoria) and the MASSIVE impact it has on how someone can view themselves, and how they believe other view him. It is clear that Dylan did not see himself how others saw him, as most of the people who knew him, reported positive association with Klebold prior to the shooting. I don’t believe this makes someone delusional or psychotic, it’s a clear symptom of other disorders including ADHD.

I appreciate the end of the book when it explains possible ways to prevent school shootings, I think the options given are really great and should absolutely be considered.

Great arguments and faulty conclusions

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He loves the Columbine killers. Everyone is compared to them. He refuses to look at the mental health and medicine these kids are given. Refuses to think his precious psychiatry and psychology couldn't dare be the problem. it is. Look who's doing it now in 2024, all the trans kids. mental health is a business and business is good. I can't believe he has a PhD. He cherry picks and it's not well thought out at all. I would've though a high school kid actually wrote this, because it's so juvenile. Worst book I read in a long time. Wouldn't recommend at all.

Ridiculous Fan Boy Drivel

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