In this follow-up conversation, Anna and Kristina return to the Inner Villain System with fresh reflections, funny tangents, and practical ways to work with the villains inside us. After weeks of editing and digesting the earlier episodes, Anna shares her need for a “mnemonic device” to keep all nine villains straight—leading to creative memory tricks that connect astrology, Icelandic elves, and even Peter Pan.

Along the way, the discussion winds through fitness updates, cultural differences between the US and UK, Anthony Horowitz mysteries, and Anna’s humorous experiment of “playing stupid” as medicine for the Obedient Critic. Kristina dives into how direct vs. indirect shadow work parallels physical therapy techniques, and how each villain’s arc—from humiliation to abandonment, betrayal to immortality—offers a map toward becoming the Hero or Legend.

Together they reveal:

• How mnemonic devices can simplify complex systems like astrology or the nine villains.
• Why culture differs from entertainment, and how this connects to villain work.
• The personal ways the Obedient Critic and Vengeful Martyr show up in daily life.
• Direct vs. indirect methods for working with villains, and how they mirror healing practices.
• Stories of humor, humility, and what happens when shadow work meets spilled milkshakes.

If you’ve struggled to remember the villains or want practical tools to spot your own inner critic, martyr, or controller in action, this episode will help you laugh, reflect, and find new entry points into your own shadow work.

Next up: The pair plan to explore the Vain Controller and the Eternal Child, including how these archetypes show up in dreams and daily life.