In the second of our two-part discussion about experiments on animals, we talk to Pandora Pound and Rachel Smith about the reliability or otherwise of scientific research using animals, much of which causes profound suffering. They discuss examples of where animal experiments have failed to predict serious adverse effects in people and the huge potential of various non-animal approaches. They also focus on the ethical imperative of using methods which give the best chance of cures for serious illnesses, subject to the overall proviso that unethical methods (such as experimenting non-consensually on people) should not be used.

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In this episode, we talk to Pandora Pound of Safer Medicine (UK) and Rachel Smith of Animal Free Research Advocacy (Australia), about the reliability (or otherwise) of research using animals and how researchers got hooked on using animals despite highly questionable results. What are the economic and other pressures? Do animal models, artificially creating human diseases in (non-human) animals, actually work? In contentious areas, how should one guard against confirmation bias – the temptation to cherry-pick data which fits one’s ethical position? Donate here: https://ko-fi.com/animalrightsdebate Join the WhatsApp community: https://chat.whatsapp.com/LTGteTLZkwI9XUtB1Xxfen Find out more: https://linktr.ee/animalrightsdebate

Our knowledge of [other] animals has increased hugely over the last few decades, and so it has become more difficult to deny them the same sort of moral consideration we grant our own species. Professor Grace Clement of Salisbury University in the USA specialises in animal ethics. We talk to her about the moral status of animals, the nature of morality, and the feminist ethic of care. Donate here: https://ko-fi.com/animalrightsdebate Join the WhatsApp community: https://chat.whatsapp.com/LTGteTLZkwI9XUtB1Xxfen Find out more: https://linktr.ee/animalrightsdebate

Join us for a round up of recent developments in relation to animal issues, from the way bird flu is spreading to humans, the effect net zero could have on meat consumption, to the controversial subject of animal experiments. Donate here: https://ko-fi.com/animalrightsdebate Join the WhatsApp community: https://chat.whatsapp.com/LTGteTLZkwI9XUtB1Xxfen Find out more: https://linktr.ee/animalrightsdebate

Cultivated meat offers the prospect of a world without the horrors of livestock farming, with the added benefit of protecting the environment, mitigating climate change, and improving human health. Philip Lymbery, the CEO of Compassion in World Farming, who has co-authored the book Cultivated Meat: To Secure Our Future, joins us for a discussion on this ground-breaking development.

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When future generations look back at our appalling treatment of other animals, Camp Beagle in Cambridgeshire will symbolise the extraordinary commitment of the few who refused to allow the atrocities of scientific research on animals to go unchallenged.

In this episode, Sole Iriart, a spokesperson for Britain's longest - running protest of its kind, talks about the campaign to shut down the breeding facility where thousands of beagles are bred for use in chemical and other experiments.

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We continue our discussion with leading advocate for animal rights, Professor Gary Francione. In this second part, we consider whether the characteristics of consciousness, rationality and awareness in animals is what gives them a right to life, or whether sentiency alone is sufficient. We also discuss if promoting animal welfare is a waste of time and resources, and if the 'rights' approach is more coherent and likely to produce results. Finally, lab grown meat is the last item on the menu in this important interview.

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How should we approach our relationship with animals? By treating them well whilst they are alive, but using them for our own purposes? Or by giving them the same sort of moral consideration that we give to humans? Professor Gary Francione is a distinguished philosopher, and advocate for granting animals similar rights to humans, and he believes that the welfare approach has been a failure, as well as a damaging distraction from promoting a plant-based diet.

Join us for this important discussion with Gary about welfare or rights, with its enormous implications for the future. Please help us, as we rely entirely on donations.

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