Chris Vannini and David Ubben are joined by officiating coordinator Mike Defee, who reveals what it's really like to be a referee, what he wishes fans understood, and his reaction to the "Beef Ref" nickname. The guys also discuss news around the Pac-12, Sacramento State, Thomas Castellanos' trash talk and a lawsuit to watch.

0:00 Intro and dogs
3:45 Pac-12, Sac State, Castellanos, key lawsuit news
18:30 Mike Defee joins the show
23:55 Why refs have to set the tone with players
27:12 The hardest plays to officiate
30:13 Dealing with accusations of bias from fans
34:25 A typical game week for an official
40:39 Should officials talk to media after games, and why holding isn't always called
45:07 What it feels like to get a call wrong
46:23 Is there too much replay review?
50:30 Will CFB move to coach challenges?
52:19 The "Beef Ref" nickname and that national championship game fame
55:24 His max bench press and why he stopped
57:02 The time Mark Richt got really mad at him
1:01:08 Handling abuse from coaches and fans
1:02:23 Why more people need to become officials
1:04:55 Thoughts on the interview
1:09:25 Remember Some Guys

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Chris and Dave are back for a quick show about EA Sports College Football 26 and Dynasty Mode. They both played it in beta and share their experience and reaction to the EA Deep Dive.

Chris and David's Athletic story on Dynasty

EA's Deep Dive

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:55 Early impressions
2:45 Real coaches, new gear and carousel
9:40 Trophy Room
12:10 Scheduling
14:55 Recruiting
23:00 Leftover thoughts, negativity and who this game is for

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Chris and Dave are back for Part 2, talking about their gameplay experience with College Football 26. They also go through the EA Sports deep dive blog and talk about new features in gameplay, what they like and what they still need to test more. Is EA getting it right?

EA Sports Gameplay Deep Dive

Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:58 Early impressions
4:15 Home field advantage
6:18 Playbooks
13:17 Quarterbacks
15:20 Offensive line
16:00 Screens
17:05 Running the ball
17:25 Defense fixes
21:10 Stunts and twists
22:36 Custom zones
27:05 Interceptions
31:00 Substitutions
34:55 Wrap

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