In this episode of The Line Podcast, recorded one day early on November 13th, 2025 — and yes, your hosts are aware they’re tempting the wrath of the news gods every time they do that — Matt Gurney and Jen Gerson dive into the story that continues to reverberate this week: what happens when MPs decide to leave their party?

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Jen makes a spirited defence of crossing the floor. Matt agrees, in part, but notes that whatever the theoretical ideal of voting for the candidate over the party might be, the reality is that we’re stuck with the voters we have, and they tend to vote for the party first and the candidate second.

They also discuss, as an interesting counterexample, Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, who isn’t having any difficulty criticizing his own party from within it. He’s obviously not thrilled about being dropped from cabinet, but it’s noteworthy how comfortable certain disaffected voices seem to be operating inside both the Conservative and Liberal caucuses. They don’t know if that tells us more about the parties or about the individual MPs involved, but it’s interesting.

Lastly, they turn to November 11th, collective memory, obligation, and the limits of lived experience when it comes to learning from history. It’s a more intimate and reflective discussion than usual, but one they think you’ll enjoy. And they’d love to hear from you in the comments: what was Remembrance Day like in your community this year? Matt was struck by how quiet it felt in Toronto, and he’s hoping that was just because of the very early blast of lousy winter weather that has befallen the Centre of the Universe.

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