As a teenager, devoted to her faith, Carrie Saum felt being born a woman was a punishment. Her mother was a strongly devout Christian woman who implored on Carrie that if she didn’t go to Russia on a teen mission trip, Russians would go to Hell and their blood would be on her hands. These teen trips were mostly run by other young adults who put the kids in ill*gal and morally questionable situations. However, nothing was off the table when it came to showing your devotion to God. In fact, dying a martyr is what Carrie assumed would happen to her. She didn’t realize she had any other choice. Now she is committed to exposing the “Honor Academy” for what it is/was. A way to exploit teens for their time, money and labor, to create an army of unquestioning, obedient adults.

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Chapter Marks

00:00:00 Intro

00:03:51 Carrie's part in the documentary

00:08:15 Carrie's upbringing

00:13:53 Acquire the Fire

00:20:52 Carrie drops out of college to join the internship program

00:28:58 What it was like when Carrie's parents moved out of state

00:32:17 Carrie's time in Russia

00:42:56 The Honor Academy

00:55:36 Columbine

00:59:24 ESOAL

01:10:09 How the martyr mindset affected Carrie

01:19:07 After deconstruction

01:21:49 What brings Carrie joy

01:23:24 Linda Listen

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Amy Duggar, cousin to the famous Duggar family from TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting” exposes what life was REALLY like on and off the big screen. Her own childhood was plagued by a narcissistic and cruel father who would constantly take her on a roller coaster of ups and downs. Her grandfather (Jim Bob & her mother’s father) was also a character that parents knew could not be alone with their kids. However, there was even a time in her childhood when her grandfather lived in her home. Today we zoom in on life in an abusive home, the chaos and the confusion, in contrast with the life of luxury on camera and what that did to her mental health.

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Amy’s Book: Holy Disruptor: Shattering the Shiny Facade by Getting Louder with the Truth

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Amy Duggar, cousin to the famous Duggar family from TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting” exposes what life was REALLY like on and off the big screen. Her own childhood was plagued by a narcissistic and cru*l father who would constantly take her on a roller coaster of ups and downs. Meanwhile, her uncle Jim Bob’s family seemed to have everything together. Perfectly behaved children combined with an ideal and picture perfect lifestyle left her desiring a home as loving and wholesome as theirs. However, once she was invited into their family on a more regular basis (when the producer saw money signs in Amy’s outspoken personality) the facade slowly faded when she realized her cousins were never allowed to have “negative feelings” or speak critically of other family members. Even if that meant sacrificing their own safety. She would learn the true character of one of her best friends and cousins, Josh Duggar; a secret that would shock the world.

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