When a data center project comes to town, a question often asked by residents and local officials is “what’s in it for us?” What if there was a guide that could help local officials understand the upside of how digital services can transform their work and their community?

Today we continue our series on data centers and community controversies. Our guest is Ilissa Miller, the CEO of iMiller Public Relations, who has deep experience communicating the benefits of digital infrastructure. Iliisa has also held local office in her community, a role that informs her current work with the OIX Digital Infrastructure Framework, which provides guidance for community planners and economic development officials.

The goal is to empower community leaders to understand the infrastructure they have, what they need, and how to plan for what’s coming. Ilissa has also has insights into the current challenges for data centers in community relations.

Here's an overview of the conversation between host RIch Miller and Ilissa Miller of iMiller PR:

00:00 - A Framework for Better Community Conversations

02:20 - From Opera to Digital Infrastructure: Ilissa Miller's Data Center Journey

05:20 - iMiller PR and its Mission and Services

07:40 - The History of Data Centers and Secrecy

13:50 - How to Improve the Media Narrative

17:30 - Introducing the Digital Infrastructure Framework

21:00 - Digital Infrastructure as a Tool for Master Planning

22:00 - Getting the Word Out

24:30 -Helping Communities Understand the Benefits of Digital Services

26:40 - Where to Learn More

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

The OIX Digital Infrastructure Framework
https://www.oix.org/standards-and-certifications/oix-dif-standard/

iMiller Public Relations
https://www.imillerpr.com/

Follow Ilissa Miller on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilissamiller/

Follow Rich Miller on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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We've seen a lot of headlines about data centers lately, especially controversies in communities considering large new data center campuses to support AI.

Community resistance to data centers is not new, but has escalated rapidly in recent months, with a number of projects being canceled or delayed amid community outcry, including some that represented billions of dollars in local investment.

Adam Waitkunas of Milldam Public Relations publishes a newsletter tracking data center controversies and how local communities are shaping the future of data center growth. Adam and host Rich Miller discuss why we're seeing more of these controversies, some of the key factors in community resistance, and what data centers can do to change the narrative and address some of the concerns about AI development.

It's an important topic, and one we need to talk more about. Digital services are a growing part of our entertainment, business and social lives, and that trend will continue. Data centers are the engines of this digital economy.

Here's an overview of the conversation:

00:00 - Overview: Community controversies are on the rise.

01:48 - About Adam Waitkunas of Milldam PR and the Zoning In newsletter.

05:45 - How We Got Here: The evolution of community controversies.

10:12 - Community Awareness and Data Center Development

15:00 - Transparency and Why It Matters

19:18 - Best Practices for Communicating With the Community

20:56 - Public Officials on the Hot Seat.

24:40 - Localizing the Community Conversation

27:00 - NDAs and Community Relations

29:15 - A Legacy of Secrecy. Time for a change?

35:00 - How Media Coverage Shapes the Narratives

39:00 - Could the data center industry be doing more?

41:10 - Building Bridges and Expertise

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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Check out the Data Center Richness Substack:
https://datacenterrichness.substack.com/

On the Web:
Data Center Richness
https://datacenterpodcast.com/

LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Milldam Public Relations
https://milldampr.com/

Follow Adam Waitkunas on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/awaitkunas/

Follow Rich Miller on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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It’s been a big year for Bloom Energy, a fuel cell manufacturer which has been winning large deals to provide power for data centers.

Our guest on Data Center Richness is Jeff Barber, the Vice President of Data Center Sales for Bloom Energy. Jeff discusses why Bloom is providing on-site power for large data centers AND their utility providers, and how fuel cells can address some of the community concerns about noise and emissions from data center projects.

Here’s a guide to our discussion:

00:00 - Intro: A Big Year for Bloom Energy

00:55 - Jeff Barber’s Data Center Journey, and an overview of Bloom Energy

03:35 - Data Centers, Fuel Cells and Bloom Energy’s Strategy

08:58 - Where Bloom Fits in the Shift to On-Site Power

13:30 - Data Centers, Utilities and Power Pricing

15:30 - Bringing Fuel Cells to Internet Scale

17:30 - AI Workloads, Power Fluctuations and Stability

20:48 - CoreWeave and Bloom - Densification and Faster Time to Power

22:45 - Bloom Energy and AEP - On-Site Power Through a Utility Partnership

25:45 - Bloom’s Deal with Oracle - Power at Scale, Within 90 Days

29:00 - The Future of Power, and Bloom’s Opportunity

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https://datacenterrichness.substack.com/

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights:

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On the Web: Data Center Richness https://datacenterpodcast.com/

LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Bloom Energy
https://www.bloomenergy.com/industries/data-center-power/

Follow Jeff Barber on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jabarber1/

Follow Rich Miller on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Cooling is a hot topic in the data center industry. Few companies have been more focused on cooling than Aligned Data Centers, which builds hyperscale facilities for some of the world's leading players in cloud computing and AI.

Our guest today is Michael Welch, the Chef Technology Officer at Aligned, who discusses how Aligned is updating its products and designs for the rising densities in AI workloads, and why an advanced cooling lab is an important part of the company’s strategy.

Data Center Richness host Rich Miller and Michael Welch discuss the following topics:

00:00 - Intro: Cooling is a Hot Topic

00:52 - Meet Michael Welch and an overview of Aligned Data Centers

03:50 - The State of Data Center Cooling

08:00 - The Delta Cubed and Delta Flow systems

11:00 - Hybrid Environments: Air Cooling and Liquid Cooling, Working Together

16:42 - The Aligned Advanced Cooling Lab

20:33 - How Higher Density Can Enabl;e Server Waste Heat Reuse

23:50 - On-Site Power and the Future of Energy

26:00 - The Improving Economics of Fuel Calls and BESS (Battery Energy Storage Systems)

28:08 - How Aligned Optimizes its Supply Chain

31:25 - The Supply Chain in the Gigawatt Era

35:05 - The Road Ahead: Designing for Bigger, Denser Data Centers

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

Subscribe to our channel for more insights:
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On the Web:
Data Center Richness
https://datacenterpodcast.com/

LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Aligned Data Centers
https://aligneddc.com/

Inside Aligned's Advanced Cooling Lab
https://youtu.be/-aq_uVdZ6eA?si=Q4wTNvTYlLNA4lfy

Follow Michael Welch on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-welch-0a7b092b/

Follow Rich Miller on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Large global investors have played a major role in the AI boom, providing funding for the construction of data centers and network infrastructure.

Today we look at data centers through the perspective of investors, How do large private investors think about data centers as an asset class? What trends do they consider in their investment strategies? Which markets are the most attractive? And how do they think about opportunity and risk in a fast-moving market?

Rich Miller's guest today is Michael Hochanadel, the Managing Director and Head of Digital Assets at Harrison Street. Michael has been an investor in the sector for 20 years, and shares his insights about how investors assess different types of properties and business models, and what the next phase of AI-powered growth might look like.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 - The Investor Perspective on the Data Center Sector

01:37 - Introduction to Michael and his career

03:25 - Background on Harrison Street

07:15 - The Themes Guiding Harrison Street’s Data Center Strategy

12:30 - Harrison Street’s digital infrastructure investments - PowerHouse, 1547, Oppidan and Summit IG

15:40 - How network architecture creates investment opportunities

17:45 - The state of the Enterprise data center market. What’s next?

21:30 - AI and Infrastructure: How will the rise of inference shape th enetwork?

27:00 - AI use cases could be “limitless.” Michael shares some early winners.

30:15 - Assessing investment risk in a rapidly evolving AI landscape

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights:

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Michael Hochanadel Bio
https://harrisonst.com/people/michael-hochanadel/

Michael on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-hochanadel-767380/

Harrison Street
https://harrisonst.com/

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DISCLAIMER: The information provided in this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only, and does not constitute investment advice or any other professional advice. Please consult with a professional for specific advice tailored to your situation.

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Chris Crosby has deep insights on essential the role of data centers in an AI-powered future. Crosby is the CEO of Compass Datacenters, which builds some of the world’s largest data center campuses.

In this week's Data Center Richness episode, host Rich Miller talks with Crosby about how Compass has embraced new approaches to power and the supply chain, as well as sustainable construction and backup power. Crosby also shares about Compass' adoption of HVO (hydrogenated vegetable oil), a lower-emissions diesel fuel, and the company's current project to convert the former Sears Headquarters near Chicago into a massive data center campus.

But for Crosby, the success at Compass all comes down to company culture and building great teams.

Highlights:

00:00 - Overview from host Rich Miller

02:00 - The role of digital infrastructure in an AI-powered world

03:30 - Solving power constraints impacting AI growth

07:45 - Load flexibility as a Pathway to Power

11:15 - The role of capital in fixing the grid

15:00 - How to address utility power queues

17:45 - How do data centers make flexibility work?

20:25 - Rethinking the data center supply chain

23:15 - The power of company culture in building great teams

27:45 - Bringing new talent into the data center industry

30:05 - How Compass thinks about sustainability

32:15 - Leading the way on adoption of HVO (low-emission generator fuel)

34:30 - Converting the Sears HQ campus into a huge data center

37:00 - The role of data center retrofits and adaptive reuse

38:25 - Data centers and community relations

41:00 - Data centers and the opportunity ahead

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

Subscribe to our channel for more insights:

On the Web: Data Center Richness
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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Compass Datacenters
https://www.compassdatacenters.com/

Compass Culture: Core Convictions
https://www.compassdatacenters.com/about/

Sears HQ to Become a Data Center https://www.datacenterfrontier.com/hyperscale/article/55089460/suburban-chicago-welcomes-compass-datacenters-major-hyperscale-development-on-legacy-sears-hq-site

Chris Crosby on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-crosby-3542b71/

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Verrus is a new data center company that is seeking to build the data center of the future. It is rethinking key aspects of how data centers are built, and how they interact with the power grid.

On this episode of Data Center Richness, host Rich Miller speaks with the leadership team at Verrus, an all-star team of data center pioneers who are rethinking the data center for 2025 and beyond. That includes new approaches to some of the huge challenges the industry faces around power and design.

Verrus is a company to watch in the next few years. It plans to use software, AI, and deep wells of engineering experience to improve how data centers interact with compute workloads and the power grid. It plans to create grid-interactive data centers that use energy storage and software to work more effectively with utilities, along with data center designs that optimize every watt at every point of the power chain.

Verrus is backed by Alphabet spinoff Sidewalk Infrastructure Partners, and much of the Verrus leadership team helped create Google’s hyperscale data centers. That includes my guests today, Nelson Abramson and Anand Ramesh, the CEO and CTO of Verrus, who will share about their experience at Google. All told, the Verrus team has deployed 13 gigawatts of data center capacity.

If you’re wondering what the future of data centers will look like, I think you’’ll enjoy today’s conversation. Here’s an overview:

00:00 - Intro: Rethinking the Data Center

02:10 -Who is Verrus? Meet Nelson Abramson and Anand Ramesh

04:45 - How Verrus plans to be different

07:20 - “Fundamentally re-evaluating” data center development

09:15 - Data centers as an anergy asset

12:11 - The role of energy storage in Verrus’ ambitions

15:25 - Design innovation at Verrus

17:00 - The utility relationship, and opportunities in load flexibility

22:00 - New structures and tools that can redefine utility relationships

28:30 - Power design, energy optimization and the Negawatt

44:10 - Data centers are fundamentally changing

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Verrus https://verrusdata.com/

Technical Report w NREL: The Data Center as a Flexible Grid Asset https://verrusdata.com/news/verrus-nrel

Verrus on LinkedIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/verrus/

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AI will be a paradigm shift for tech - and how that may change our work and our daily lives. What will that look like?

To explore this important topic, Data Center Richness host Rich Miller speaks with Bill Kleyman, CEO of AI technology firm Apolo. They discuss the speed of the AI transition, what comes next, what it means for the tech sector, how we handle this type of big, disruptive change as society.

Rich and Bill examine AI adoption in the context of cloud computing, and how initial skepticism and trust issues led to refinement and widespread usage as the technology matured. A major difference is the speed of development, as improvements in AI hardware from NVIDIA and other chipmakers drives rapid change in data center design, power and cooling.

In the second half of the podcast, Rich and Bill discuss the recent Data Center World conference, and what the huge turnout tells us about the curent "data center moment."

Here's an overview of the conversation:

00:00 - The AI Transition

02:30 - Up Next: Bold innovation and Uncomfortable Transitions

03:15 - Paradigm Shifts Create Winners and Losers

06:30 - Big Changes in How We Interact With Data

11:30 - Journalism and "Google Zero" as an Early Signal

13:30 - FOMO and Comfort With Asymmetric Change

17:15 - AI, Trust and the Cloud Computing Precedent

18:45 - Bill on Making Compliance Work in an AI-Powered World

21:10 - A Recap of Data Center World

25:30 - Real Estate Enthusiasm and the AI Risk Proposition

28:20 - What 'Wonder Valley" Tells Us About Where We're Headed

31:15 - Data Centers as Real Estate on Steroids

32:00 - Natural Gas a Bridge Fuel for AI Infrastructure

32:30 - Is Liquid Cooling Infrastructure Sexy?

36:30 - The Potential for Waste Heat Recycling

39:00 - Community Resistance and Responsible Infrastructure

41:00 - Can AI Transform the Power Grid?

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Bill Kleyman https://billkleyman.com/

AFCOM State of the Data Center Report https://datacenterworld.com/2025-state-data-center-report/

Apolo Web Site https://www.apolo.us/

Data Center Richness https://datacenterpodcast.com/

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