“What if leadership isn’t about driving results, but about caring for people?

On this episode of The Disruption Lab, Patrick Leddin sits down with Bob Chapman, Chairman and former CEO of Barry-Wehmiller, to explore a radically different approach to leading people and building organizations.

Bob has spent decades transforming a $3.6 billion global company by embracing what he calls “Truly Human Leadership”—a philosophy grounded in a simple but profound belief: every person in your organization is “somebody’s precious child,” entrusted to your care.

In this conversation, Bob shares the pivotal moment that forced him to rethink everything he believed about leadership, moving from a traditional, numbers-driven mindset to one centered on stewardship, dignity, and human impact. He reflects on what he had to unlearn, the resistance he faced, and how this shift didn’t just change culture—it improved performance.

Patrick and Bob also discuss the newly expanded 10th-anniversary edition of Everybody Matters, now re-released with new stories, insights, and data from another decade of applying these ideas in the real world.”

The way people behave at work does not stay at work.

The way we are treated by our boss, our colleagues, and the people we lead changes how we show up everywhere else. It shapes our mood, our confidence, and the way we interact with the people we care about most. In other words, behavior at work creates ripple effects far beyond the office.

In this episode of Disruption Lab, Patrick Leddin sits down with Ashley Herd, former Head of HR for McKinsey & Company and the founder of Manager Method. Ashley has spent her career helping organizations rethink how managers lead and how workplaces shape the people inside them.

Ashley shares insights from her work and her book The Manager Method, explaining why management is one of the most underestimated forces shaping culture, performance, and people's daily experience at work. She also discusses how small shifts in leadership behavior can disrupt unhealthy patterns and create environments where people perform better and live better.

This conversation explores a simple but powerful idea: when leaders change how they treat people at work, they change how those people show up everywhere else in life.