This week on Biz-Souls, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler tackle the slippery, elusive, and occasionally imaginary concept of trust. (Yes, that thing your boss keeps talking about while “listening” only long enough to weaponize your words later.)

It all starts with Jeffrey surviving a “conversation” with a manager—translation: a slow-motion train wreck requiring Olympic-level emotional intelligence. Pair that with Rona dropping an article about the collapse of workplace trust and - boom! - you’ve got yourself a podcast episode that asks all the uncomfortable questions no HR handbook will ever answer.

Along the way, they manage to:

• Roast generational divides (because apparently Millennials ruined trust… and toast).

• Debate autonomy and authenticity without using the word synergy even once.

• Skewer sales and sales management (spoiler: they don’t trust you either).

• Differentiate between active listening and “listening for ammo” (hello, manager!)

• Name-drop Toastmasters while wondering if anyone actually trusts a table topic.

Tie it all together with Rona’s Pillars of Play, because even trust issues deserve recess.

And - full disclosure - they also chat about their episode with change management expert Richard Bachelor as if it already exists. Technically, it should. Unfortunately, Jeffrey’s epic battle with Adobe Premiere and his new camera settings has delayed things. (Adobe 1, Jeffrey 0.) Richard, if you’re listening - Jeffrey swears he’ll wrestle Premiere into submission and publish your episode next week. Promise. Pinky swear. Scout’s honor.

So, listen now, subscribe, and share this episode with anyone who still believes in trust.

Or… wait a week, listen to Richard’s episode first, then come back and see what trust looks like in the wild. Either way, you’ll laugh, you’ll cringe, and you might even trust us by the end.