Season 2 of Candid Conversations opens with a twist—hosts Candice and Chris step out of their usual roles and into the hot seat, interviewed by their longtime producer and behind-the-scenes champion, Bob Dignan. Bob, Associate Director for Instructional Media Resources at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, brings thoughtful questions submitted by listeners (and a few of his own) to get the conversation rolling with candor, insight, and vulnerability.

The episode kicks off with reflections from Season 1, including a powerful takeaway from guest Tekita Bankhead about the cost of code-switching, and a reminder from Dean Jamelle Sharpe that even senior leaders are fully human—gamers, parents, and everything in between. This theme of authenticity continues as Candice opens up about her experiences with workplace harassment, sharing the profound leadership lessons it taught her about boundaries, vulnerability, and the power of speaking up. Chris responds with transparency of his own, discussing the growing pains that come with rapid institutional expansion, the underestimation of management needs, and how interpersonal dynamics change as teams scale.

The conversation takes a nuanced look at the difference between leadership and management, introducing the framework of "why, what, and how" to help listeners identify their strengths and growth areas. Candice and Chris both reflect on how they’ve evolved from managing to leading and how surrounding yourself with the right people is crucial—both for getting the work done and for making work a place you want to be.

Bob also pulls out insightful questions around leading from anywhere, dealing with criticism, and maintaining composure in a climate of uncertainty across higher education. Personal stories—from a student group project to an internal promotion sparked by stepping up—underscore the idea that leadership isn't about title, but action. The episode wraps with advice for early-career professionals, underscoring the value of filling gaps, building trust, and finding a workplace culture that energizes you. And yes—Candice and Chris would both choose skydiving over scuba diving.

This episode marks a fitting return for Candid Conversations, reminding us that leadership is as much about listening and evolving as it is about strategy and vision.