In this episode, we talk about a murder perpetrated by a former power rangers actor... but not that one! Skylar Deleon is a former child actor turned career criminal who built a cadre of inmates, guards, and a baby mama to try to scam and murder their way to wealth at the expense of a very nice retired couple. We discuss the convoluted crime, the sloppy way they covered their tracks, and how they totally failed to achieve their aims.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Another (Allegedly) Awful Husband, a much nicer cliff! In this midweek mini, we discuss what we know so far about the Gerhardt Konig case. We talk about the facts of what likely happened, detail the allegations of power and control and abuse, and compare this case with some of our past (least) favorite forced cliff diving coaches (ew, Steve!). Be sure to check out our merch store for the newest drops!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

The narrative surrounding Natalia Grace is filled with confusion and conflicting accounts. In this episode, we dissect the timeline and dig into the truth surrounding her age, while also holding her adoptive parents accountable for their deeply troubling behavior. We discuss the potential psychological factors influencing the parents, such as histrionic personality disorder and narcissism, and how reactive attachment may have manifested in Natalia's actions. Our central focus remains on the fact that, irrespective of her age, Natalia was fundamentally failed by the adults in her life, through no fault of her own.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

'Adolescence' on Netflix offers a chilling portrayal of youth violence. This week, Nat and Jeannine, along with our husbands, unpack the series (spoilersahead!). We discuss its psychological realism, particularly the unpredictable nature of young offenders and the complexities of pre-trial evaluations. The conversation then shifts to the challenges of parenting in the digital age, the impact of cyberbullying, and a vital exploration of the red pill and incel movements. The husbands offer their perspectives on toxic masculinity and how manosphere influencers manipulate the concept of 'traditional' masculinity to ensnare young men.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In the concluding part of our Columbine series, we examine the horrific events of April 20th, the elements of Harris and Klebold's plan that failed, and the devastating consequences. As Colorado natives, this episode is especially poignant. We then shift our focus to prevention, discussing the critical importance of teaching empathy early, the necessity for parental intervention with troubled youth, and the complex debate surrounding parental liability in such tragedies. (Producers note: be kind about Nat's sound quality, she's literally trying to bounce that baby out of her tummy while she talks!)

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this episode, we go deeper into the dynamics and typologies of paired criminals, psycho duos, and kill teams. Are both partners usually psychopaths? What does folie a deux mean? And how do these definitions apply to famous true crime cases and in a treatment context? Listen in and find out!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Marking the anniversary of a day that forever changed Colorado and the nation, we begin our two-part series on the events leading up to the Columbine High School shooting. Part 1 dissects the early warning signs and the disturbing dynamic between Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. We examine Harris' potential psychopathy and his role in grooming Klebold into increasingly violent thoughts and actions, as evidenced by their escalating petty crimes. As Coloradoans, this is a deeply personal story for us.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

As a thank you gift for hanging in there with us for a whole year, please enjoy another round of auditory wtf, courtesy of producer G!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.