The history books tell us that Christianity arrived in New Zealand with the first Western missionaries in 1814. But that’s only half the story. Forty years earlier, God spoke to a man named Toiroa, giving him a vision of the Europeans’ arrival. The vision included the strange clothes they wore, their unusual mode of travel and the message they carried about a good god and a name that meant “Son who was killed.” Toiroa shared his vision with many other Maori, so when the foreigners came, they eagerly received the news! A massive indigenous revival followed. By the mid‑1840s, around 64,000 Māori were attending church. It was one of the most significant revivals in history.Our guest on this episode, Māori leader and author Jay Ruka tells the incredible story. He also shares how a life‑changing encounter with God led him to reclaim his Māori identity and uncover a hidden chapter of New Zealand’s spiritual history - one filled with prophecy, revival, identity and the surprising ways God moves beyond the boundaries of the church.

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About Jay Ruka

J. Ruka is a story teller, musician and public communicator. After working as a church minister for many years, he now writes and speaks about indigenous worldview, New Zealand History and the importance of cultural partnership. He is married to Erin and they live with their three children in Whāingaroa (Raglan), New Zealand.

What if God is speaking far more often than we realise - not just in the spectacular moments, but in the ordinary ones too? In this episode of the God Conversations Podcast, Tania sits down with seasoned prophet and trainer Beth Kennedy to explore how God meets us in the everyday rhythms of life.

Raised in an atheist home yet drawn to the spiritual from childhood, Beth shares her remarkable journey of learning to recognise God’s voice - through Scripture, the senses, gentle promptings, and even through unexpected encounters on an afternoon dog walk. Together, Tania and Beth unpack how the Holy Spirit is already at work, inviting us into relationship, transformation, and partnership with God in simple but profound ways. Whether you’re discovering God’s voice for the first time or wanting to deepen your discernment, this conversation is full of practical insights, relatable stories, and reminders of God’s Father‑heart for us.

Key Takeaways

• God often speaks in ordinary moments, not only in dramatic encounters. Beth shares stories – from childhood violin practice to everyday compassion – that highlight how easily we can overlook God.
• Our senses can be avenues for hearing God – through emotion, imagination, visuals, conviction, and even physical sensations.
• The Holy Spirit draws people long before they have language for it, as seen in Beth’s early life experiences of love, conviction, and curiosity.
• Responding to God’s promptings matters as much as recognising them, demonstrated through Beth’s transformative encounter with a homeless man in the park.
• Everyone can learn to recognise God’s presence, including those who don’t yet believe, through simple practices like “God spaces.”
• God delights in us and invites us into purpose, a theme Beth expands on through her ministry and her book, I Am God’s Happy Place.

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About Beth Kennedy

Beth Kennedy is a seasoned prophetic voice and teacher who is passionate about helping others grow in their prophetic gifting and Kingdom calling. She is a leader and mentor at Verve Ministries, where she equips prophetic people to live boldly and walk confidently in their gifts.

Through her ministry, Beth has mentored countless individuals, helping them to step into leadership and influence in their churches, communities and beyond. Known for her clear teaching and heart for God, Beth is committed to creating safe spaces where highly prophetic people can flourish. Her prophetic activations, real world applications, and compassionate mentorship have transformed lives and launched ministries.

Beth walked away from a thriving legal and corporate career to fully embrace God’s call. Her journey is proof of what happens when you surrender to His voice. She is an internationally accredited trainer with Prophetic Company Global and a regular presenter with Empower 2000 and has guest taught at Bible colleges, spoken at churches, and equipped many individuals from all walks of life to hear God for themselves.

Isi was contemplating drowning by suicide when she had a supernatural encounter that saved her life.

In this episode, our guest Pastor Isi De Gersigny shares about her supernatural experiences and angelic encounters. In our time, angels are usually only depicted as cute chubby-face cherubim on greeting cards and are rarely mentioned in church life. For many, the idea of angels is for the “woo-woo” fringes of rational society.

Yet throughout Scripture, God frequently speaks through angels, with nearly 50 specific God conversations mentioned. Angels are understood to be God’s messengers - the word “angel” literally means messenger. In the Hebrew Scriptures, angels speak to people like Abraham, Hagar, Moses and Elijah. In the New Testament, angels speak to Mary, Jesus, Peter and John. Angels seem to appear at pivotal moments and often seem to take on the role of the Holy Spirit So, what’s it like to have a God conversation with an angel and what should our expectation be for their participation in our lives?

In this episode, we talk with church leader and prophetic creative Isi de Gersigny about God conversations with angels. Isi is qualified to speak into this area, having experienced angelic appearances several times. Isi is the co-founder and pastor of a Jubilee Church along with her husband Fini, the founder of the Create school and a recognised prophet, songwriter, musician, dancer, poet.

You’ll hear about:

• Isi’s back story - including a life-changing encounter as a troubled teenager where a supernatural being (was it Jesus?) rescued her from suicide by drowning.
• Isi’s angelic encounter in a dream where the angel offered wisdom for her ministry. Angelic encounters carry spiritual revelation, encouragement and guidance for navigating life’s seasons.
• What angels are - angels are created spirit beings, not defined by gender or physical bodies and who can appear in human form to suit the occasion.
• The role of angels. Isi shares how angels to minister to believers, reflect God’s nature and act as messengers. Experiences with angels are meant to confirm God’s purposes, and draw us deeper into relationship with God—but not to be worshipped.
• Practical wisdom for angels. Angelic encounters should not be sought for their own sake but received humbly as part of God’s mission.

Pastor Isi de Gersigny is an innovative prophetic songwriter, musician, dancer, poet and speaker whose joy it is to see people come into their freest selves and lead prophetic worship that often spills over into prayer for nations. Isi co-founded Jubilee Church with her husband Fini in Sydney, Australia and Create, a school of Biblical revelation and activation for equipping and releasing disciples into all aspects of society.

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