Turning down a $3B offer from Facebook is a bold move for any young CEO.

Evan Spiegel shares how Snap’s early dream was to stay independent and give its community an authentic voice, a bet that proved right.

He also explains why they are now doubling down on AR glasses and why the anxiety around AI deserves far more attention from tech leaders.

Guest: Evan Spiegel, co-founder and CEO of Snap Inc. and Bing Gordon, Advisor at Kleiner Perkins

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The hardest systems attract the most serious builders.

Joubin Mirzadegan shares how a career defined by ‘hardcore discipline’ and impatience with broken infrastructure pulled him from Kleiner Perkins back into the arena as CEO of Roadrunner, now valued at $7.2B.

He reflects on how an early startup failure taught him that building is about will, and why he believes AI only matters when it delivers precision at scale.

Guest: Joubin Mirzadegan, Partner, Kleiner Perkins

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Fifteen years in, it can still feel like “we’re just getting started.”

Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder of Cloudflare, returns to Grit with Joubin Mirzadegan to share how Cloudflare secures the internet for millions, with a vision built to last generations.

She also shares why staying close to reality and to customers becomes harder as success compounds, and how Cloudflare is helping content creators regain control in an AI driven internet.

Guest: Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder and President of Cloudflare

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