This episode continues the Heal NPD Seminar Series, featuring Dr. Mark Ettensohn and his associates, Deanna Young, Psy.D., and Danté Spencer, M.A. I

n this session, the group discusses a recent meta-analytic review examining suicide-related outcomes in narcissistic personality functioning. The conversation explores why studies using DSM-based diagnoses of Narcissistic Personality Disorder consistently fail to predict suicidal ideation, attempts, or self-injury, while dimensional measures that include vulnerable narcissism show strong and reliable associations with elevated risk.

Themes include the distinction between grandiose and vulnerable self-states, the limitations of trait-based and purely behavioral diagnostic models, and the deeper affective and regulatory structures that define pathological narcissism.

The team examines how shame, identity instability, emotional dysregulation, and collapse of self-esteem stability contribute to suicidality—and how grandiose presentations can mask underlying fragility in ways that obscure clinical risk.

Throughout the seminar, the group reflects on the developmental and relational origins of vulnerable narcissism, emphasizing the role of early emotionally invalidating early environments, contingent self-esteem, and dissociated self-states in shaping defensive functioning.

The discussion also highlights clinical challenges in assessing suicide risk in narcissistic patients, including the role of masking, externalization, and shame-driven withdrawal.

This seminar is designed for clinicians, students, and anyone seeking a nuanced, clinically grounded understanding of narcissistic personality functioning, suicide risk, and the hidden dimensions of vulnerability that are often overlooked in public discourse.

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Citation for the article discussed: Sprio, V., Mirra, L., Madeddu, F., Lopez-Castroman, J., Blasco-Fontecilla, H., Di Pierro, R., & Calati, R. (2024). Can clinical and subclinical forms of narcissism be considered risk factors for suicide-related outcomes? A systematic review. Journal of Psychiatric Research, 172, 307–333. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpsychires.2024.02.017 Full text link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395624000803

In this episode, Dr. Mark Ettensohn responds to a common question: How can someone with a perfectly normal and mostly happy childhood develop narcissistic personality disorder? The discussion challenges the widespread misconception that narcissism is simply a personality type, a collection of traits, or the result of genetics alone. Dr. Ettensohn explains that pathological narcissism is a disorder of self-esteem regulation and identity formation, not just a pattern of behavior. Drawing on clinical research and developmental theory, he explores how early experiences that appear loving and stable can still leave important parts of the self unseen, unrecognized, or conditionally valued. These subtle, chronic relational injuries, repeated over years rather than occurring as a single traumatic event, can distort the developing self’s capacity to maintain a stable and realistic sense of worth. The episode distinguishes between “popular narcissism,” which focuses on abusive behavior, and clinical narcissism, which reflects an internal system of dysregulated self-esteem. Through metaphor and clinical reflection, Dr. Ettensohn illustrates how a child can grow up in an environment that looks healthy on the surface yet still learn to equate love with performance, value with achievement, and safety with control.

Additional Resources Website: https://healnpd.org Newsletter: https://healnpd.substack.com Assessment and therapy inquiries: https://healnpd.org/contact Purchase Unmasking Narcissism: A Guide to Understanding the Narcissist in Your Life here: https://amzn.to/3nG9FgH SUBSCRIBE HERE: https://rb.gy/kbhusf LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://rb.gy/cklpum LISTEN ON GOOGLE PODCASTS: https://rb.gy/fotpca LISTEN ON AMAZON MUSIC: https://rb.gy/g4yzh8 BECOME A MEMBER: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHeT5kujD1JqHRAi-x8xD-w/join Article Citations: Vater, A., Ritter, K., Schröder-Abé, M., Schütz, A., Lammers, C.-H., & Roepke, S. (2013). When grandiosity and vulnerability collide: Implicit and explicit self-esteem in narcissistic personality disorder. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 44(1), 37–47. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jbtep.2012.07.004 Weinberg I, Ronningstam E. Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Progress in Understanding and Treatment. Focus (Am Psychiatr Publ). 2022 Oct;20(4):368-377. doi: 10.1176/appi.focus.20220052. Epub 2022 Oct 25. PMID: 37200887; PMCID: PMC10187400.

This episode continues the Heal NPD Seminar Series, featuring Dr. Mark Ettensohn and his associates, Deanna Young, Psy.D., and Danté Spencer, M.A. In this session, the group discusses Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Progress in Understanding and Treatment by Igor Weinberg, Ph.D., and Elsa Ronningstam, Ph.D. The conversation examines recent advances in how clinicians conceptualize and treat narcissistic personality disorder, moving beyond fixed trait models toward a dynamic, relational understanding of the self and its development. Themes include the interplay between grandiose and vulnerable self-states, the interdependence of self-esteem regulation, affect, cognition, empathy, and interpersonal functioning, and the recognition that narcissistic pathology evolves through cumulative disruptions in early attunement and relational safety. The discussion also explores how developmental misattunements - whether through neglect, overindulgence, or inconsistency - shape defensive adaptations and contribute to the oscillation between self-inflation and shame. Throughout the seminar, the team reflects on the therapeutic process of working with narcissistic patients, emphasizing empathy, reflective capacity, and the slow, relational work of rupture and repair that makes genuine transformation possible. This series is designed for clinicians, students, and anyone interested in a nuanced, compassionate understanding of narcissism, personality, and psychological change. To learn more about our work, visit www.HealNPD.org Additional Resources: Newsletter: https://healnpd.substack.com Assessment and therapy inquiries: https://healnpd.org/contact Purchase Unmasking Narcissism: A Guide to Understanding the Narcissist in Your Life here: https://amzn.to/3nG9FgH SUBSCRIBE HERE: https://rb.gy/kbhusf LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://rb.gy/cklpum LISTEN ON GOOGLE PODCASTS: https://rb.gy/fotpca LISTEN ON AMAZON MUSIC: https://rb.gy/g4yzh8 BECOME A MEMBER: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHeT5kujD1JqHRAi-x8xD-w/join Citation for the article discussed: Weinberg I, Ronningstam E. Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Progress in Understanding and Treatment. Focus (Am Psychiatr Publ). 2022 Oct;20(4):368-377. doi: 10.1176/appi.focus.20220052. Epub 2022 Oct 25. PMID: 37200887; PMCID: PMC10187400. Full text of the article: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10187400/