If you ever sang along to a lyric in your car because it said the thing you couldn’t, this one’s for you.

We open Season Four with special guest Harley, talking emo—where it came from, what it did, and why it still matters. From Rites of Spring cracking the door, to bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy turning private pain into something you could sing out loud. Small rooms. Big feelings. No armor.

That’s emo.
Hero and dick. Sometimes in the same verse.

Thanks for tuning in.

— Kate & KJ

A thousand downloads. Cookies, steak, and one deeply suspect mushroom Swiss.

That’s how we close 2025—by taking inventory and not pretending it was tidy.

What surprised us wasn’t which episodes blew up, but why. The biggest listens didn’t come from grand arguments or hot takes. They came from small, stubborn things: cows. Pickles. Birds. Food. The way ordinary obsessions turn into memory and meaning if you sit with them long enough.

We keep circling the same question because it won’t let us go:
Can a single act make someone a hero? And if it does, how long before the shine wears off and the rest of the human shows through?

We revisit the episodes that sparked real conversation—and the ones that landed with a thud. We look hard at what worked, what didn’t, and what we’re willing to change next time.

If you’ve got a topic, a person worth grilling, or a strong opinion about dill versus sweet, we want it. Season four is still wet cement. Your fingerprints are welcome.

Best to you and yours,
Kate & KJ

HeroorDick2023@gmail.com

This week we peel George Washington down to the bone—no marble shine, just the man. The contradictions stack up fast: hundreds enslaved at Mount Vernon, Washington freeing only the people he personally owned after Martha died, Martha burning their letters, and his scorched-earth orders against Native communities. All of it sitting beside the government he helped sketch and the power he refused to keep. The good is real. So is the harm. We hold both.

If you want history without hero worship—and a couple laughs along the way—hit play.

Thanks for being on this ride with us. Welcome to Hero or Dick!

~ Kate & KJ