What happens when your security perimeter extends to Mars—and MFA isn't an option?

In this episode of the Security Cocktail Hour, we sit down with Renee Wynn, former CIO of NASA, to explore what cybersecurity looks like when traditional frameworks simply don't apply.

Renee Wynn managed IT for some of humanity's most critical infrastructure: Mars rovers, the James Webb Space Telescope, the International Space Station. We cover the unique challenges of cybersecurity in the aerospace, defense and space fields—and what those constraints teach us about security thinking more broadly.

Early in the discussion, Renee emphasizes: "We always have to make sure we don't have a failure of imagination when we're looking at these risk-based decisions." This is the kind of mindset shift that shapes great security leaders. We also explore how she navigated government oversight, built trust with federal auditors, and led through constraints that forced her to rethink everything.

Whether you work in government, private sector, or dream of expanding your security career into new industries—this conversation will broaden how you think about what's possible.

00:00 Introduction & The Coolest Resume in Cybersecurity

00:51 No Multi-Factor Authentication on Mars: Securing Assets Beyond Earth

02:54 Navigating Oversight: How to Build Trust With Government Auditors

15:00 Failure of Imagination: Rethinking Risk Assessment in Extreme Environments

35:00 Leadership Lessons: Thinking Bigger in Security

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