What do you do when everything feels like it’s falling apart at once—work, sleep, nervous system, emotions, identity—and you’re stuck oscillating between “I’ve got this” and “I absolutely do not”?

In this episode of Vinegar & Oil, Lila and Charly talk candidly about navigating real-life dumpster fire seasons: winter heaviness, emotional rollercoasters, burnout, unexpected upheaval, and the moment-to-moment practice of staying grounded when life feels relentless.

They explore:

How to maintain equanimity (even if you don’t know what that word means)
The difference between hard seasons and true suffering
Why imagining worst-case scenarios makes everything worse
Nervous system depletion, sleep disruption, and emotional overload
Radical responsibility without spiritual bypassing
When chaos is actually a clearing—and how to trust it
Practical tools for breaking the spiral: baths, music, nature, rituals, lists, herbs, and perspective shifts
This conversation is equal parts raw, reflective, and practical—no platitudes, no toxic positivity. Just two sisters unpacking how to stay steady, human, and sane when life says, “hold my beer.”

If you’re in a tough season, feel under-resourced, or need permission to stop suffering twice—this one’s for you.



00:00

Navigating Life's Dumpster Fires

03:07

Finding Equanimity in Chaos

06:07

The Role of Perspective in Challenges

09:02

Radical Responsibility and Personal Growth

12:03

Manifestation and Energy Flow

14:49

The Cost of Change and Growth

17:50

Understanding Hardship vs. Suffering

20:59

Embracing the Full Spectrum of Emotions

26:01

Understanding Emotions and Equanimity

29:01

The Connection Between Emotions and Physical Health

30:49

Disconnection from Inner Wisdom

32:49

Coping Mechanisms for Tough Days

36:21

Building Resilience and Self-Care

40:30

The Importance of Alone Time

44:20

Nourishing the Body and Mind

48:41

Future Topics and Listener Engagement

Welcome to Vinegar & Oil.

The Swanberg sisters come together in their very first episode of Vinegar & Oil taking a peek into their shared background yet contrasting lives as they set out to tackle One shared question:

what actually creates health, happiness, and peace in real life?

So what the hell are we doing here?! — not teaching from a pedestal, not selling a perfect system, and not pretending the answers are simple.

We were raised in the same unconventional household, took radically different paths, and now find ourselves asking the same question from opposite ends of the spectrum.

Lila lives a minimalist, scaled-back life, focused on dharma, nervous system regulation, and building something aligned.

Charly is two weeks postpartum, raising four kids in a blended family, running a high-volume chiropractic practice, and grappling with the feeling that comes after “doing everything right.”

This conversation touches on:

• Why hitting the milestones doesn’t always bring happiness
• Minimalism vs. Expansion — and why both can be paths to alignment

Seasonality, winter vs. spring “new year,” and why rushing change can backfire

Wellness perfectionism vs. real-world resilience

This isn’t a podcast about optimization, hacks, or perfection. It’s about nuance. It’s about living inside the tension.

And it’s about being honest about what actually works when life is messy, full, constrained, or in transition.

Some episodes will be themed.
Some will be reflective.

Some will be inspiring.
Some will simply follow the conversation where it needs to go.

This is Vinegar & Oil.