The post‑Roe fight didn’t end at the clinic door—it moved to the mailbox, the browser, and the bathroom. We sit down with Seth Gruber to confront the gap between what pro‑life laws claim and what they actually do, especially as chemical abortions surge and many states punish providers while giving parents legal immunity. If law is a teacher, what lesson are we sending when the same act is criminal for one set of hands and consequence‑free for another?

We unpack the uncomfortable numbers around abortion pills, the supply chains that route through overseas vendors, and the limits of a clinic‑only strategy. Seth argues for coherence: if the unborn child is human, equal protection should not shift with setting or instrument. That means pairing supply‑side enforcement—against distributors, telehealth brokers, and professional violators—with clear statutes that align penalties with the value we claim to defend. Along the way, we trace the civilizational stakes, from J.D. Unwin’s research on sexual culture and social energy to the way legal norms shape public conscience. Deterrence matters; history shows how quickly behavior follows the signal of law.

We also spotlight a growing cultural front: The 1916 Project’s wide church screenings and new Daily Wire streaming date, the Life or Death Con in D.C. ahead of the March for Life, and a forthcoming documentary, The Last Stand, telling a history of Christian resistance and the rebuilding of moral foundations. Some states can move fast; others must work incrementally. But settling for contradictions leaves the most common abortion method untouched and teaches the wrong lesson about human dignity.

If you value clear thinking, principled strategy, and courageous storytelling, this conversation will sharpen your view of what genuine protection for the unborn requires.

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