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  • About Climate Change: Will turning off the lights really save the world?

    About Climate Change: Will turning off the lights really save the world?
    Sep 9 2025
    📣 Help us improve the show by completing the Things People Do survey: https://forms.gle/8YAeybGcZXGdDrJfA We're joined this week by Will Wilson, a listener to the show and a Climate Change Consultant. He joins us to explain what a carbon footprint is (and how big is Joe's?), if eating less meat can actually make a difference and tell us if the world is basically f**ked. And he helps to make the show more environmentally friendly, without plunging us all into darkness. Find more about Will here: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-wilson-08b47a130?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app⁠ 🌎 Will's Company: ⁠https://www.507climate.com/⁠ New Huel customers can get £10 off Huel with this offer for Things People Do listeners. Use code, TPD at https://huel.com/TPD (Minimum 60 pounds purchase) Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    1 h
  • Classic About Poker Players: How a pair of shoes lost him $1 million

    Classic About Poker Players: How a pair of shoes lost him $1 million
    Sep 4 2025
    In this classic episode, we meet professional gambler, Richard. He tells us about the bizarre world of professional poker, late nights in casinos and how a pair of shoes lost him $1million. We’re not entirely sure it’s an appealing world for us… Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: https://www.youtube.com/@thingspeoplepod To get in touch with us, email joe@crowdnetwork.co.uk If you would like to be a guest on the show, click here To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking this link To become an official sponsor, go to Patreon.com/thingspeopledo To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    43 min
  • About Personal Assistants: How to manage your boss's outrageous behaviour

    About Personal Assistants: How to manage your boss's outrageous behaviour
    Sep 2 2025
    Our guest this week is Anna, who is a PA to Finance Executives, CEOs and all manner of demanding individuals. She tells us about the most outrageous requests she's ever had from her bosses, her impressive selection of stationary and advises how Joe Marler can become more organised in his work and personal life. You may become a more organised person just by listing to this episode, enjoy! Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO MANUAL are offering Things People Do listeners a discount on their procedure. Say the code JOEMARLER while booking your consultation for 10% off. Book your consultation ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠. To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    51 min
  • Classic About Water: Are we drinking recycled wee?

    Classic About Water: Are we drinking recycled wee?
    Aug 28 2025
    In this classic episode, Joe and Tom meet Water Joe. He explains why water tastes different around the country and we do a taste test to see if it’s true. There’s also a lot of toilet talk, from recycled piss to Joe pooing in the garden. Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    53 min
  • Out of Office Re: Things People Do

    Out of Office Re: Things People Do
    Aug 26 2025
    Joe and Tom are away this week on their one permitted holiday per year. So they’ve asked the team to pull together some of the best moments of the show this year. If you’re new to the show, this is the perfect place to start. If you’re a regular, enjoy reminiscing over these memorable moments. We’ll be back soon! Anna and Nev, About Caffs India, About Celebrants Pete Wicks, About TV Personalities Laura, About Sheep JJ, About Crime Scene Investigators Louis, About Polar Explorer “Flee”, About Pilots Marcus, About Bus Drivers Cate and Diggory, About Sex Education Paul, About The Traitors Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO MANUAL are offering Things People Do listeners a discount on their procedure. Say the code JOEMARLER while booking your consultation for 10% off. Book your consultation ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠. To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    55 min
  • Classic About Diamonds: Top Secret Missions and Elaborate Heists

    Classic About Diamonds: Top Secret Missions and Elaborate Heists
    Aug 21 2025
    In this classic episode, we chat to “Steve”, a diamond expert. He tells us about the top secret missions he’s involved in to transports diamonds out of the country, we ask if heists are really that common and Joe wonders if Daisy would mind if he took all her rings off her. In the name of ethics. Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    46 min
  • Things People Did, with Kerry Godliman: Bingo Calls, Sales Pitches and Hiding in a Shoe Shop

    Things People Did, with Kerry Godliman: Bingo Calls, Sales Pitches and Hiding in a Shoe Shop
    Aug 19 2025
    This week, we’re joined by comedian and actress Kerry Godliman. Kerry shares what it was like in a hair salon passing rollers to stylists, working at a bingo hall that gave away cuts of meat and sneaking micro breaks while working in a shoe shop. Find Kerry here: See her on tour - https://kerrygodliman.com/ Listen to Joe on her podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/joe-marler/id1525239847?i=1000671498768 Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO MANUAL are offering Things People Do listeners a discount on their procedure. Say the code JOEMARLER while booking your consultation for 10% off. Book your consultation ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠. To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    1 h et 2 min
  • Classic About Forensic Pathologists: Have you ever seen a dead body?

    Classic About Forensic Pathologists: Have you ever seen a dead body?
    Aug 14 2025
    In this classic episode, Joe and Tom are joined by the former state pathologist of Ireland, Dr Marie Cassidy. Joe tells a weird mole story, an even weirder deer story and Dr Marie tells us what dead bodies smell like. Part 2 on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/joe-marlers-things-people-do/id1533107619?i=1000538401525 Part 2 on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5svJjYyw51p6ahquzKjc4E?si=76c1162b43574d03 Thriva are on a mission to help you live better, for longer. They are offering Things People Do listeners 20% off your first blood test. Just go to thriva.co to sign up, fill out a very quick questionnaire and use the code THINGSPEOPLEDO To watch the show on YouTube, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠watch here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get ad-free and longer episodes on Apple, hit the 'grow the show' button or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ On Spotify you can subscribe for £1 a week by clicking ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠this link⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To become an official sponsor, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/thingspeopledo⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To grow the show on socials, look for @thingspeoplepod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok If you'd like to enquire about commercial partnerships with our podcast, email Ryan Bailey ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ryanb@crowdnetwork.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music courtesy of BMG Production Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    38 min