The future is being built in the spaces most of us never learned to see.

In this episode, Lisa talks with journalist and entrepreneur Jennifer Brandel. Jennifer is the co-founder of Zebras Unite, and creator of the Interstitium, a theory of the hidden connective work that keeps communities, movements, and systems alive. Jenn has spent her career naming the “in-between” roles that make change possible and giving shape to the people who do them.

They explore:

• The Interstitium Jenn's new framework for the unseen connective tissue of society
• Hexagon people those who bridge local life and global ideas
• Sacred hospitality how to create spaces where real transformation can happen
• Why connection is the real antidote to loneliness, polarization, and overwhelm
• Zebras Unite a model for building companies that are profitable and regenerative

Jenn shares stories from journalism, civic innovation, and community building, showing how naming and noticing these patterns helps people feel less alone.

This conversation is an invitation to reconnect with each other, design healthier ways of working together, and imagine futures built on reciprocity, meaning, and resilience.

Links from the show:

• Jennifer’s website
• The Intersitium
• Hexagon People
• Zebras Unite
• Zebras Fix what Unicorns Break