Life doesn't stop being hard just because you decide to grow. There are seasons that take you out at the knees, sucker-punch your heart, and leave you wondering how you're supposed to carry on being a parent, a partner, a leader, or a business owner.

In this conversation, Hannah Chapman CFP®, APMA®, CRPC® and Joy Alchemist & author Jan Hoath explore what it really means to choose joy anyway — not as a bypass, but as a way of honoring the full spectrum of your humanity: the grief, the mess, the doubt, the “super sucky” circumstances, and the quiet, ordinary magic of being alive.

Learn about:

• Jan's acronym JOY: “Just Own You”

• The “deep end of joy” swimming pool metaphor

• Why your capacity to be with your own pain directly expands your capacity for real joy

• How presence, permission, and celebration change what's possible in your life

• How to find joy in the middle of real life — not after everything is fixed

Connect with Jan here:

Jan's Book: JoyAnywayBook.com

Book a Call: CallWithJoy.com

Website: JanHoath.com

Connect with Hannah here:

X² Wealth Planning Website: https://x2wealthplanning.com/

Expansive CEO: https://expansiveceo.com/

Hannah's Website: https://hannahrchapman.com/

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