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Music Evolves Podcast

Music Evolves Podcast

Auteur(s): ITSPmagazine Inc. Sean Martin
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 Welcome to the Music Evolves Podcast, where we explore the transformative power of music through the lens of technology, creativity, and innovation — by looking both forward and back. We dive deep into how cutting edge research and development are shaping the future of music, transforming how it’s created, shared, and experienced, while celebrating its timeless ability to inspire and connect us all. Whether you’re a musician, music enthusiast, or simply curious about the synergy between tradition and innovation at the intersection of art and technology, the Music Evolves Podcast invites you on a journey through the past, present, and future of music. Discover how music continues to inspire, connect, and evolve — redefining what’s possible and shaping the world one note at a time.© Copyright 2015-2025 ITSPmagazine, Inc. All Rights Reserved Art Divertissement et arts de la scène Musique
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  • The New Copyright and Rights Battle: Who Owns the Sound of AI When Machines Make Music? | A Panel Conversation with  Chandler Lawn, Michael Sheldrick, Drew Thurlow, Puya Partow-Navid, and Marco Ciappelli | Music Evolves with Sean Martin

    The New Copyright and Rights Battle: Who Owns the Sound of AI When Machines Make Music? | A Panel Conversation with  Chandler Lawn, Michael Sheldrick, Drew Thurlow, Puya Partow-Navid, and Marco Ciappelli | Music Evolves with Sean Martin
    Nov 13 2025
    Show NotesAs artificial intelligence begins generating music from vast datasets of human art, a fundamental question emerges: who truly owns the sound of AI? This episode of Music Evolves brings together a law student and former musician Chandler Lawn, music industry executive and professor Drew Thurlow, Michael Sheldrick, Co-Founder of Global Citizen, and intellectual property attorney Puya Partow-Navid, alongside hosts Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli, to examine how AI is reshaping authorship, licensing, and the meaning of originality.The panel explores how AI democratizes creation while exposing deep ethical and economic gaps. Lawn raises the issue of whether artists whose works trained AI models deserve compensation, asking if innovation can be ethical when built on uncompensated labor. Thurlow highlights how, despite fears of automation, generative AI music accounts for less than 1% of streaming royalties—suggesting opportunity, not replacement.Sheldrick connects the conversation to a broader global context, describing how music’s economic potential could drive sustainable development if nations modernize copyright frameworks. He views this shift as a rare chance to position creative industries as engines for jobs and growth.Partow-Navid grounds the discussion in legal precedent, pointing to landmark cases—from Two Live Crew to George R. R. Martin—as markers of how courts may interpret fair use, causality, and global jurisdiction in AI-driven creation.Together, the guests agree that the debate extends beyond legality. It’s about the emotional authenticity that makes music human. As Chandler notes, “We connect through imperfection.” Marco adds that live performance may ultimately anchor value in a world saturated by digital replication.This conversation captures the tension—and promise—of a future where music, technology, and law must learn to play in harmony.GuestsChandler Lawn, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at The University of Texas School of Law | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chandlerlawn/Drew Thurlow, Adjunct Professor at Berklee College of Music | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewthurlow/Michael Sheldrick, Co-Founder and Chief Policy, Impact and Government Affairs Officer at Global Citizen | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sheldrick-30364051/Puya Partow-Navid, Partner at Seyfarth Shaw LLP | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/puyapartow/Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder, ITSPmagazine and Studio C60 | Website: https://www.marcociappelli.comHostSean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine, Studio C60, and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast & Music Evolves Podcast | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com/ResourcesLegal Publication: You Can’t Alway Get What You Want: A Survey of AI-related Copyright Considerations for the Music Industry published in Vol. 32, No. 3 of the Texas State Bar Entertainment and Sports Law Journal.BOOK: Machine Music: How AI Is Transforming Music’s Next Act by Drew Thurlow: https://www.routledge.com/Machine-Music-How-AI-is-Transforming-Musics-Next-Act/Thurlow/p/book/9781032425242BOOK: From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World by Michael Sheldrick: https://www.fromideastoimpact.com/AI and Copyright Blogs:https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/category/ai/https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/2025/11/dr-thaler-is-right-in-part/https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/2025/07/californias-ai-law-has-set-rules-for-generative-ai-are-you-ready/https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/2025/06/copyright-office-firings-spark-constitutional-concerns-amid-ai-policy-tensions/Newsletter (Article, Video, Podcast): The Human Touch in a Synthetic Age: Why AI-Created Music Raises More Than Just Eyebrows: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/human-touch-synthetic-age-why-ai-created-music-raises-martin-cissp-s9m7e/Article — Universal and Sony Music partner with new platform to detect AI music copyright theft using ‘groundbreaking neural fingerprinting’ technology: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/universal-and-sony-music-partner-with-new-platform-to-detect-ai-music-copyright-theft-using-groundbreaking-neural-fingerprinting-technology/Article: When Virtual Reality Is A Commodity, Will True Reality Come At A Premium: https://sean-martin.medium.com/when-virtual-reality-is-a-commodity-will-true-reality-come-at-a-premium-4a97bccb4d72Global Citizen: https://www.globalcitizen.org/Gallo Music (Gallo Records, South Africa): https://www.gallo.co.za/Global Citizen Festival: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/festival/Andy Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith (Shepard Fairey / “Hope” poster context): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/598/21-869/case.pdfGeorge R. R. Martin / Authors Guild v. OpenAI (current AI training lawsuit): https://authorsguild.org/news/ag-and-authors-file-class-action-suit-against-openai/Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. (2 Live Crew “Pretty...
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    53 min
  • Sampling, Stealing, or Something Else Entirely: Who Gets the Credit When AI Creates the Song? | A Conversation with  Marco Ciappelli | Music Evolves with Sean Martin

    Sampling, Stealing, or Something Else Entirely: Who Gets the Credit When AI Creates the Song? | A Conversation with  Marco Ciappelli | Music Evolves with Sean Martin
    Oct 17 2025
    Guest and Host

    Guest: Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder, ITSPmagazine and Studio C60 | Website: https://www.marcociappelli.com

    Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine, Studio C60, and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast & Music Evolves Podcast | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com/

    Show Notes

    In this candid episode of Music Evolves, Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli unpack the creative, ethical, and deeply personal tensions surrounding AI-generated music—where it fits, where it falters, and where it crosses the line.

    Sean opens with a clear position: AI can support the creative process, but its outputs shouldn’t be commercialized unless the ingredients—i.e., training data—are ethically sourced and properly licensed. His concern is grounded in authorship and consent. If a model learns from unlicensed tracks, even indirectly, is it sampling without credit?

    Marco responds by acknowledging how deeply embedded influence is in all creative acts. As a writer and musician, he often discovers melodies or storylines in his own work that echo familiar structures—not out of theft, but because of lived experience. “We are made of what we absorb,” he says, drawing parallels between human memory and how AI models are trained.

    But the critical difference? Humans feel. They reinterpret. They falter. They declare their intent. AI does none of that—at least, not yet.

    The discussion isn’t anti-technology. Instead, it’s about boundaries. Both Sean and Marco agree that tools like neural networks can be fascinating collaborators. But when those tools start to blur authorship or generate perfect replicas of a human’s imperfection—say, the crackle of a vinyl or the slide of a finger across a string—what are we really listening to? And who, if anyone, should profit from it?

    They wrestle with questions of transparency (“Did you write that… or did AI?”), authorship (“If you like it but don’t know it’s AI, does it matter?”), and commercialization (“Is it still your art if someone else feeds it to a machine?”). And perhaps most importantly, they invite you to answer for yourself.

    🎧 At the end of the episode, Sean and Marco each create a 1-minute piece of AI-generated music based on their own interpretation of the conversation. Their challenge: same topic, different vibe. The listener’s challenge: can you feel the difference?

    Resources

    Newsletter (Article, Video, Podcast): From Sampling to Scraping: AI Music, Rights, and the Return of Creative Control: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/from-sampling-scraping-ai-music-rights-return-control-martin-cissp-flxde/

    More From Sean Martin on ITSPmagazine

    More from Music Evolves: https://www.seanmartin.com/music-evolves-podcast

    Music Evolves on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTRJ5du7hFDXjiugu-uNPtW

    On Location with Sean and Marco: https://www.itspmagazine.com/on-location

    ITSPmagazine YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@itspmagazine

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    30 min
  • From Sampling to Scraping: AI Music, Rights, and the Return of Creative Control | A Musing On The Connection Between Music, Technology, and Creativity | Music Evolves: Sonic Frontiers with Sean Martin and TAPE9 | Read by TAPE9

    From Sampling to Scraping: AI Music, Rights, and the Return of Creative Control | A Musing On The Connection Between Music, Technology, and Creativity | Music Evolves: Sonic Frontiers with Sean Martin and TAPE9 | Read by TAPE9
    Oct 16 2025
    Show NotesIn this episode, we unpack the core ideas behind the Sonic Frontiers article “From Sampling to Scraping: AI Music, Rights, and the Return of Creative Control.” As AI-generated music floods streaming platforms, rights holders are deploying new tools like neural fingerprinting to detect derivative works — even when no direct sampling occurs. But what does it mean to “detect influence,” and can algorithms truly distinguish theft from inspiration?We explore the implications for artists who want to experiment with AI without being replaced by it, and the shifting desires of listeners who may soon prefer human-made music the way some still seek out vinyl, film cameras, or wooden roller coasters — not for efficiency, but for the feel.The article also touches on the burden of rights enforcement in this new age. While major labels can embed detection systems, who protects the independent artist? And if AI enables anyone to create, does it also require everyone to monitor?This episode invites you to reflect on what we value in music: speed and volume, or craft and control?📖 Read the full companion article in the Music Evolves: Sonic Frontiers newsletter for deeper insights: TBD________This story represents the results of an interactive collaboration between Human Cognition and Artificial Intelligence.Enjoy, think, share with others, and subscribe to "The Music Evolves: Sonic Frontiers" newsletter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/music-evolves-sonic-frontiers-7290890771828719616/Sincerely, Sean Martin and TAPE9________Sean Martin is a life-long musician and the host of the Music Evolves Podcast; a career technologist, cybersecurity professional, and host of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast; and is also the co-host of both the Random and Unscripted Podcast and On Location Event Coverage Podcast. These shows are all part of ITSPmagazine—which he co-founded with his good friend Marco Ciappelli, to explore and discuss topics at The Intersection of Technology, Cybersecurity, and Society.™️Want to connect with Sean and Marco On Location at an event or conference near you? See where they will be next: https://www.itspmagazine.com/on-locationTo learn more about Sean, visit his personal website. More From Sean Martin on ITSPmagazineMore from Music Evolves: https://www.seanmartin.com/music-evolves-podcastMusic Evolves on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTRJ5du7hFDXjiugu-uNPtWOn Location with Sean and Marco: https://www.itspmagazine.com/on-locationITSPmagazine YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@itspmagazineBe sure to share and subscribe! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    10 min
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