In this episode, Kimberly and Jessica debrief Jessica’s interview with Arlyn (founder of Tobey’s Tutor) and unpack what it looks like to build AI products as “non-technical” founders. They reflect on their own journey building Moxie: bootstrapping vs raising money, the pressure-cooker effect of investors, the messy realities of UX/UI and platform migration, the world of APIs and subscriptions, and why “friction” can be an ethical design choice, especially in AI for education.

In this episode, we talk about

• Why “non-technical founder” is a misleading label
• The hope in AI (and how “both can be true”: benefits + harms at once)
• Bootstrapped “mom-and-pop” AI companies vs venture-backed growth expectations
• The founder reality: burnout, delegation, and why money changes decision-making
• The startup metrics whirlwind: LTV, CAC, churn, stickiness, payback period
• What building an AI product costs in practice: tools, subscriptions, and constant ops
• UX/UI psychology: heatmaps, “rage clicking,” onboarding friction, and conversion decisions
• Why “friction” can be good (consent, safety, pacing, limits, especially for kids)
• “Building on rented land”: what happens when OpenAI/Google/Anthropic change terms
• The bigger ethical question: solving a problem vs optimizing a broken system

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If you’re building, using, or researching AI in education: reach out. And if you’re using AI tutoring with kids (or yourself), ask questions about data, limits, mistakes, and oversight.

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