At 27 years old, Devin Gillam has already lived three lives — broke college grad, missionary baseball player in Sweden, physical therapy student, and now one of the top Cutco sales producers in the country. In this episode, Devin breaks down how a random Snapchat ad during COVID launched a six-figure sales business, how he sold $300K of knives while in PT school full-time, and the systems, coaching, gift-giving strategy, and discipline that took him from “I had no clue what I wanted to do” to a thriving business owner. If you’re in sales, entrepreneurship, or just need to hear a story of grit and growth, this episode will pull you in fast.

In this episode, Bert Barrow shares his journey of losing everything—from being a bank president to selling burial policies and cleaning buildings with his family—and how faith and perseverance helped him rebuild his life. He opens up about learning humility, trusting God through uncertainty, and finding strength in hard work and generosity. Bert also offers candid advice on business lending, risk management, and staying in your lane as an entrepreneur. His story is a powerful reminder that failure isn’t the end—it’s often where faith and purpose begin.

In part 1, Thomas talks with deal-maker and former commercial banker Bert Barrow about how he went from “last in, first out” to creating his own path in lending. They dig into why banks cap your success, how one $3,500 risk turned into a $27,500 payday, and why the money still didn’t feel like enough.