This week on Pop Therapy, I’m joined again by my brilliant friend Heidi Anderson - author, speaker, and all-round powerhouse, to unpack The Muzzy of it all from The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

What started as a juicy Bravo debrief turned into a raw and emotional conversation about mothers, boundaries, and the people who hurt us the most. We talk about Bronwyn’s pain, how she can possibly heal from this, and the complex web of love, loyalty and loss that sits underneath it all.

Heidi shares an incredibly moving story about her own mum - one that will stay with you long after you listen - and together we explore the mother wound, narcissism, and the very specific cultural pressures of Mormonism that shape some of the stories we are seeing unfold on RHOSLC.

If you’ve ever had a complicated relationship with a parent, a toxic friend, or someone who just can’t meet you where you are, this one’s for you. It’s honest, messy, emotional and full of those “oh my god, me too” moments.

We also touch on the seemingly endless stream of Bravo Con - as in, convicted felons and why this seems to be an ongoing trend!

Listen in for therapy-meets-pop-culture realness, and a conversation that might just help you see your own story a little differently.

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Audio production by wonderful Sam Talbot | samtalbot.com.au