In episode 97, Theresa and Kathryn talk with Chris Ricketts, music educator, curriculum leader, and doctoral researcher from Portsmouth, UK. Chris shares insights from his work across nine schools in the Bohunt Education Trust, where he focuses on curriculum development, student voice, and building inclusive, co-constructed learning experiences that reflect students’ real musical lives. He discusses the challenges of engaging students in music beyond the compulsory years, the role of teacher autonomy, and how authentic student choice can transform classroom culture.

Chris also reflects on his research and international experiences, including presenting at the Association for Popular Music Education Conference in the U.S. We explore practical ways to embed student voice—through songwriting, peer feedback, ensemble work, and co-constructed projects—and the importance of balancing autonomy with structure. Whether you’re teaching in a traditional ensemble or experimenting with modern band, Chris offers thought-provoking ideas and actionable strategies for amplifying student voices and making music education more relevant, engaging, and empowering.

Connect with Chris and learn more:

• Website: https://www.music-curriculum.co.uk/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chris.ricketts.35

Learn more about Pass the Baton:

• Pass the Baton website
• Join the Coffee Club
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• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self Reflection

In episode 96, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Rebecca Sensor, middle school choir director and president-elect of the Pennsylvania Music Educators Association. Rebecca shares how her choir program transformed its traditional spring concert into a fully student-driven “Pops Concert,” where students select, arrange, and even mash up popular songs that resonate with them. From brainstorming on day one of school to building ballots of potential repertoire, Rebecca describes how giving students a voice in the process leads to deeper engagement, ownership, and creativity.

Throughout the conversation, Rebecca highlights the powerful impact of student choice—not only on concert performances, but also on students’ confidence, collaboration, and lifelong music-making. She also discusses how this approach has shifted her own teaching philosophy, the challenges and joys of balancing student ideas with practical rehearsal needs, and the little strategies that make rehearsals more meaningful. This inspiring episode offers both big-picture insights and practical takeaways for music educators who want to empower their students and make concerts more personal and memorable.

Connect with Rebecca and learn more:

• Facebook: Rebecca Cogan Sensor
• TikTok: (the real) Rebecca Sensor

Learn more about Pass the Baton:

• Pass the Baton website
• Join the Coffee Club
• Support Pass the Baton
• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self-Reflection

In episode 95, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Yogi “Y?” Guyadin, a teaching artist, musician, and “artivist” whose work centers student voices, creativity, and connection. Y? shares his powerful personal journey—from growing up surrounded by vibrant soundscapes in Queens to learning music through deep listening and instinctive exploration. He explains how his unconventional path led him to education, where he champions an approach grounded in student agency, multiple intelligences, and culturally responsive practices.

We explore Y?’s concept of cipher pedagogy, a model that invites collaboration, improvisation, and co-creation in the classroom. He emphasizes the importance of building environments where students and teachers can thrive through authenticity, emotional connection, and nervous system regulation. Whether you're a traditional music educator or exploring new territory, Y? offers a compelling vision for making music education more inclusive, joyful, and transformational.

Connect with Y? and learn more:

• Creative Expressions website

Learn more about Pass the Baton:

• Pass the Baton website
• Join the Coffee Club
• Support Pass the Baton
• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self Reflection

In Episode 94 of Pass the Baton, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with high school orchestra director and ASTA President-Elect Corie Benton for an inspiring conversation about student-centered teaching and building a classroom culture rooted in care, agency, and joy. Corie shares how her teaching philosophy shifted in recent years—from chasing accolades to prioritizing holistic student experiences—emphasizing the importance of creating an environment where all students feel seen, valued, and empowered.

Listeners will hear how Corie builds student leadership through orchestra councils, incorporates student voice in repertoire and performance decisions, and designs inclusive opportunities like senior solos and peer mentorship. She also shares practical examples of how she fosters ownership and connection in daily routines, from student-led warmups to meaningful classroom traditions. Whether you're a new or veteran educator, this episode is full of small, actionable ideas that can make a big impact in your own teaching.

Learn more about Pass the Baton:

• Website: https://www.passthebatonbook.com/
• Join the Coffee Club
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• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self-Reflection⁠⁠⁠⁠

In Episode 93 of the Pass the Baton podcast, co-hosts Kathryn Finch and Theresa Hoover kick off Season 5 with a timely conversation about setting up music classrooms with intention from day one. Drawing on their diverse teaching backgrounds—Kathryn in elementary general music and Theresa transitioning to a new role in higher education—they explore practical strategies for creating an environment where students feel seen, heard, and empowered. From classroom design and student centers to collaborative expectations and learner-driven activities, they emphasize the importance of fostering independence, creativity, and connection.

Throughout the episode, Kathryn and Theresa revisit foundational ideas from their book Pass the Baton: Empowering All Music Students, including student voice, choice, ownership, and authentic music-making. They offer tangible suggestions teachers can implement right away, such as using students’ names, incorporating creativity early on, and inviting students to share what they want to learn. Whether you're a veteran or just starting out, this episode will inspire you to be more intentional in your planning and build a student-centered learning environment from the very beginning.

Looking to introduce improvisation during the first few weeks of school? Check out this free resource: Call and Response Improv

Learn more about Pass the Baton:

• Pass the Baton website
• Join the Coffee Club
• Support Pass the Baton
• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self Reflection

In this final episode of Season 4, Kathryn and Theresa look back on a year of inspiring conversations and exciting growth. They reflect on the continued impact of their book Pass the Baton, now four years old, and the growing network of educators dedicated to student empowerment. They share behind-the-scenes insights into resources like the Post-Concert Creativity Challenge and preview their upcoming summer course through VanderCook College.

The episode also includes some personal updates—Kathryn introduces a new four-legged family member, and Theresa shares her excitement about moving across the country to begin a new faculty position at East Carolina University. It’s a thoughtful and celebratory wrap-up full of gratitude, practical ideas, and a look ahead to what’s next. We’ll be back in August with all-new episodes to kick off Season 5—see you then!

Links from this episode:

• Theresa’s Dissertation Survey
• Pass the Baton Coffee Club
• Post-Concert Creativity Challenge
• VanderCook Summer Book Study
• Instagram - @PasstheBatonMusicEd
• Facebook - Pass the Baton Book
• Website - passthebatonbook.com
• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self Reflection
• Episode 82 with Matthew Stensrud
• Episode 77 with Stephen Cox
• Episode 83 with Jasmine Henderson
• Episode 85 with Merlin Thompson
• Episode 86 with Felipe Morales-Torres

In Episode 91, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Alisa Hanson—music educator, researcher, and recent PhD graduate—for a rich conversation about experimentation, creativity, and student-centered teaching. Alisa shares insights from her dissertation and describes how she brought student agency and creative risk-taking into her music classes. From improvisation circles with beginner fifth graders to a rock band-style “Pop Music Lab” class for middle schoolers, Alisa offers practical ways to make music education more engaging and responsive to students’ interests.

Listeners will be inspired by Alisa’s candid reflections on what worked, what didn’t, and how she used her own quilting practice to reflect deeply on her teaching. Whether you're an elementary, middle school, or high school teacher, this episode offers valuable takeaways—like giving students more choice, creating space for improvisation, and designing musical experiences that connect in-school learning with students' real-world musical interests. Tune in to hear how you might give yourself—and your students—permission to experiment.

Connect with Alisa and learn more:

• Email: amastin@asu.edu
• Dissertation: Becoming Music Teacher: A Quilted A/r/tographic Inquiry

More about Pass the Baton:

• Pass the Baton website
• Join the Coffee Club
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• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self

In Episode 90, Theresa and Kathryn are joined by Chris Gleason for a thought-provoking conversation about grading. Chris challenges traditional notions of grading and assessment, offering compelling stories and practical strategies for shifting from compliance-based systems to student-centered, intrinsic learning environments. With humor, wisdom, and years of classroom experience, Chris explores what it means to foster agency, curiosity, and deep reflection in music education—and why students’ growth can’t (and shouldn’t) be reduced to a number or letter grade.

Whether you're brand new to the concept of ungrading or already dipping your toes in these waters, this episode is sure to get you thinking deeply about your own classroom practices. Chris reminds us that meaningful learning comes from relationships, relevance, and reflection—not from points, charts, or checklists. Tune in for an honest, encouraging, and energizing discussion that will leave you inspired to rethink assessment and empowered to make bold changes that truly benefit your students.

Connect with Chris and learn more:

• Website: www.chrisgleason.com
• Podcast: Beyond Artless
• Beyond the Notes Music Festival

Other resources from this episode:

• Episode 84 - Assessment for Growth: Empowering Student Musicians
• Episode 67 - Unlock Student Potential: Transforming Assessment in Music Education
• Episode 55 - Assessment for Learning: Nurturing Growth and Progress in Every Student
• Trust and Inspire, by Steven Covey
• Punished by Rewards, by Alfie Kohn
• The Art of Possibility, by Rosemond Stone Zander
• Hacking Assessment, by Starr Sackstein
• Undoing the Grade, by Jesse Stommel

Connect with Pass the Baton and learn more:

• Pass the Baton website⁠
• Join the Coffee Club
• Support Pass the Baton
• Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self Reflection ⁠⁠⁠⁠