In this episode of Psyche Podcast, I sit down with Erik Butler—the translator of Byung-Chul Han’s Psychopolitics: Neoliberalism and the New Technologies of Power—to explore Han’s piercing critique of our digital age. Together, we trace the book’s philosophical roots in Foucault, Heidegger, Nietzsche, and Deleuze & Guattari, while unpacking Han’s distinction between biopolitics and psychopolitics, his analysis of the “achievement society,” and the paradox of self-optimization in a world of constant surveillance.

We dive into Han’s provocative call to embrace “idiotism,” a radical form of individuality that resists neoliberal demands for self-display, and consider the religious and mystical threads that run through his thought. Erik also shares insights from his work as a translator, offering a behind-the-scenes look at Han’s solitary life and difficult reputation, while we reflect on the book’s surprising relevance nearly a decade after its release.

Whether you’re new to Han or already captivated by his writings, this conversation offers a lively and accessible entry point into one of the most urgent philosophical diagnoses of our time.

In this episode of Psyche Podcast, I sit down once again with Elisabeth Schilling to dive into Byung-Chul Han’s The Crisis of Narration. Our conversation winds through the healing power of stories, the hero’s journey, and how narrative shapes our sense of meaning and belonging. We reflect on Han’s critique of our data-driven age and explore what’s lost when narrative gives way to information overload.

Elisabeth shares insights from her work teaching world mythology and connects Han’s ideas to Joseph Campbell, Greek myths like Eros and Psyche, and even her own spiritual journey. Together, we wrestle with tensions between metanarratives and personal myths, the promise and pitfalls of therapy as a storytelling space, and whether Han’s nostalgia for communal narratives has a place in today’s fragmented world.

From Hallmark movies to Amanda Knox, from Jung’s notion of individuation to the dangers of thin stories, this episode asks what it really means to live in—and through—narrative.

In this episode, I dive into Carrie Jenkins’ book Sad Love: Romance and the Search for Meaning. At first glance, the title might make you think it’s all about heartbreak—but what Jenkins actually offers is a fresh way of thinking about love: eudaimonic love. I talk about Jenkins’ background as a philosopher at the University of British Columbia, her creative approach to love, and why she moves beyond Aristotle’s vision of the “good life”—a vision that, surprisingly, excluded people he considered “ugly.”

Instead, Jenkins reimagines eudaimonia as “good spirits” and highlights how love is really about the environments and relationships that nurture meaning. I also unpack her critique of hedonism and the romantic ideal of being “madly in love,” showing how she reframes love as a collaborative project—about co-creating a meaningful life with another person. Along the way, I share Jenkins’ engagement with Viktor Frankl, who reminds us that “love, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue.”

If you’ve ever felt boxed in by traditional scripts around love, or you’re looking for a deeper, more authentic way to think about relationships, this conversation is for you.