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Radical Sacred

Radical Sacred

Auteur(s): Jenny Misslin and Phillip Dieke
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 Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted.

For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore.

Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core of all creation.

Radical Sacred is an invitation to join them in curiosity as they explore questions such as:
  • What is an experience that led you to a kinder, more inclusive spirituality?
  • Who was the first person you met that broadened your ideas about the Divine?
  • Where do you experience the Holy?
  • If liberation of self leads us on a pathway to liberation for all, what has that looked like in your own spirituality?
  • How do you find joy and pleasure in these wild times?
  • Has there been an anchor for you as your spirituality has shifted?
  • How can the stories we tell ourselves harm or heal ourselves, and creation?
Not experts, Jenny and Phil strive to live the questions while exploring the mystery of all that is unsolved in our hearts and souls.

Will you join them?Copyright Phillip Dieke Christianisme Pastorale et évangélisme Spiritualité
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  • Wes Granberg-Michaelson Reshapes Our Definitions of Pilgrimage

    Wes Granberg-Michaelson Reshapes Our Definitions of Pilgrimage
    Jun 25 2025
    Our journey with season 2 continues to meander in beautiful and unexpected ways as we have the extreme privilege of speaking with author, pastor, theologian, and someone well seasoned in the art of pilgrimage: Wes Granberg-Michaelson! Wes blows our minds and invites us into new and deeper understandings of pilgrimage. We delve into pilgrimage as response to empire, important movements that are inviting us back to our truest selves, and what can undergird us in the uncertain times we find ourselves in. This expansive conversation was a gift to us as are all of you, dear listeners! Thanks for making season 2 a wild and lovely pilgrimage.
    Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):
    • The Wandering Mind: What Medieval Monks did about Mental Distraction by: Jamie Kreiner
    • Wesley Granberg-Michaelson Sojourners
    • Without Oars: Casting Off into a Life of Pilgrimage
    • The Soulwork of Justice: Four Movements of Contemplative Action
    • A Strategy for Christian Witness against Trump’s Autocracy
    • Summer Stars by: Carl Sandberg

    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Summer Solstice
    01:47 Meeting Wes Granberg-Michelson
    02:24 Wes's Journey as a Pilgrim
    07:43 Understanding Pilgrimage and Its Dual Nature
    09:51 Integrating Internal and External Journeys
    16:23 Intentionality in Pilgrimage
    25:36 Four Movements of Pilgrimage
    31:44 Navigating the Crisis in Seminaries
    36:11 Creating a Holding Space for Spiritual Growth
    39:50 Walking Away from Empire: The Power of Pilgrimage
    50:33 The Role of Nature in Spiritual Connection
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    1 h
  • Walking Together, Apart

    Walking Together, Apart
    Jun 18 2025
    Today we leave our pent up indoor spaces and venture out for a walk together, apart. Can walking bring us closer when there’s literal distance between us? Can walking help us bridge the gap between our heart and our actions? Between where we are and where we’re meant to be? We talk about this season, the places and spaces we’ve been, our fabulous guests who’ve invited us into our own pilgrimages, and how we’re doing with all that’s shifting and changing.

    Join us Saturday June 21st at 8 am for a Conscious Nature Stroll!
    Choose your favorite walking spot or find one brand new! Season 2 is drawing to a close and a lot of pilgrimaging has occurred for us since September. We’d love to walk together, apart as we reflect on all that’s been and that’s yet to come.

    We invite you to bring your favorite pal (dog or human, your choice), your favorite poem of the moment to begin your time, turn your phone to silent, and reflect on one or two of the questions below as you walk:
    1. What is drawing my eye to beauty this morning and where in my life am I being invited to bring forth, protect, or create beauty?
    2. What is drawing my eye to suffering this morning and where in my life am I being invited to relieve suffering? Suffering in my community, in myself, in the space I’m walking?
    3. What journey in your life is ending or needs to end? Reflect on it.
    4. What pilgrimage is on your horizon? What is something new calling to you?

    Walk for however long and you’d like and share your reflections with us on Substack or Instagram. Thank you for walking with us this season!


    Chapters
    00:00 The Power of Walking and Connection
    05:43 Embracing Change and New Beginnings
    12:01 The Journey of Pilgrimage and Intention
    17:45 Attention and Awareness in Nature
    23:40 Navigating Endings and New Opportunities
    30:57 Embracing Change and New Beginnings
    37:02 Creating Without Fear: The Joy of Expression
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    45 min
  • Carolyn Whitney-Brown's Journey with Henri Nouwen

    Carolyn Whitney-Brown's Journey with Henri Nouwen
    Jun 11 2025
    Carolyn Whitney-Brown joins us in this playful and imaginative conversation around her and Henri Nouwen’s book Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom. Written more than 2 decades after his death and centered around Henri’s late in life experiences with the trapeze group the Flying Rodelighs, this book is a joyous invitation to expand our horizons and to follow our curiosity. What new, high flying adventures might be calling to you? Where are the communities in our lives that encourage us to live fully? Carolyn, Henri, and the Flying Rodleighs invite us all to be joyful risk takers, rooted deeply in self and community.

    Show Notes:
    • L'Arche Daybreak
    • Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom
    • Carolyn’s Website
    Chapters
    00:00 The Poetic Prelude: Icarus and Love
    01:24 Introducing Carolyn Whitney: A Journey with Henry Nowen
    02:29 Creative Exploration: Writing and Illustrating Together
    04:38 Joyful Risk-Taking: Embracing Change in Uncertain Times
    09:11 The Trapeze: A Metaphor for Community and Connection
    15:15 Balancing Joy and Angst: The Duality of Henry Nowen
    18:47 Surprises in the Process: Reflecting on Henry's Legacy
    21:18 Henry as a Guide: Lessons from a Life of Pilgrimage
    27:04 The Role of Discipline: Structure in Creativity
    31:31 Overcoming Inner Criticism: The Voices in Our Heads
    34:46 Community and Creativity: Finding Support in Unlikely Places
    40:03 The Artist's Role: Bringing Hope Through Creativity
    44:51 Embracing Our Ancestors: The Interplay of Joy and Woe
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    46 min

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