Nathan and Chuck talk to Ruth Haley Barton about her favorite spiritual practice: Sabbath. "I don't keep the Sabbath. The Sabbath keeps me."

Ruth Haley Barton is a spiritual director, teacher, author, and founder of the Transforming Center. In this episode, Nathan and Chuck talk with her about why leaders tend to neglect their souls rather than seek to care for them.

Chuck and Nathan talk to John Mark Comer about his book Practicing the Way, where he offers a fresh view of church, which is actually quite ancient, and the current state of the spiritual formation movement.

Karen and Nathan finish their conversation with Jim Smith about how to move away from false narratives and reorient to the biblical narrative that has at its center the love of God.

Nathan and Karen host Jim Smith, author of The Good and Beautiful God, and founder and Executive Director of the Apprentice Institute for Christian Spiritual Formation at Friends University, as well as a founding member of Richard J. Foster’s spiritual renewal ministry, Renovaré. In this episode they discuss how our experiences shape our view of God, and how many Christians unknowingly view him as powerful but angry. Listen in and examine your own view of God.

Nathan and Karen finish their conversation on wounded god images and how they keep us from experiencing the love of God

Karen interviews the founder and CEO of Eden Project, Nathan Wagnon, to discuss the factors that shape the way we think about and relate to God.

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