What if the best learning event you ever ran didn’t have a single slide deck?

In this episode of Rogue L&D, Tom sits down with Kirsty Lewis, founder of School of Facilitation and creator of SoFest, a three-day festival celebrating the art and energy of facilitation.

Kirsty shares how her mission to bring connection back into corporate learning sparked a thriving global community of trainers and facilitators. From her Diageo days designing world-class experiential programs to creating SoFest in a literal field, Kirsty shows how real learning happens when people play, talk, and co-create.

They dive into why L&D professionals are often the most professionally lonely people, how to design sessions that feel alive, and why most conferences still get learning completely wrong. Expect plenty of soapboxes, laughter, and hard truths about the future of facilitation, plus the infamous story of how chewing gum almost derailed her corporate career.

If you’re in learning, leadership, or coaching, this episode will reignite your passion for how we teach, connect, and grow people together.

Key Takeaways

1. Experiential beats instructional: Learning sticks when participants do, not when they’re taught.
2. Community cures professional loneliness: Even L&D pros need people who “get it.”
3. Design is everything: Great workshops start with structure, story, and emotional energy — not slides.

Timestamps

• [00:00:20] Tom welcomes Kirsty and her facilitation obsession.
• [00:01:15] The three parts of School of Facilitation explained.
• [00:02:29] The birth of SoFest — why it had to happen.
• [00:04:40] “I’m not a mushroom!” — Kirsty’s rant on bad L&D events.
• [00:07:22] Designing experiential learning and fighting professional loneliness.
• [00:10:10] Why building community beats working solo in L&D.
• [00:12:12] Kirsty’s best-ever L&D program from her Diageo days.
• [00:25:15] Her proudest career moment — creating global Master Trainers.
• [00:26:24] Biggest fail: chewing gum while hungover in a workshop.
• [00:33:39] Final advice: nurture relationships — they shape your L&D legacy.

Links

• Kirsty Lewis on LinkedIn
• School of Facilitation
• Tom Bailey on LinkedIn
• Tom Bailey Website

Most training fails because it forgets the human at the center.

This episode dives deep into how learning becomes more than just training—it becomes an experience people want to be part of. Vanessa Trower, award-winning learning consultant and industry leader, shares her creative approach to designing programs that connect both to the heart and to business outcomes. From the power of storytelling to the importance of collaboration, her insights reveal how to create initiatives that don’t just tick boxes but truly move the needle.

Along the way, Vanessa opens up about her proudest achievements, including winning L&D Professional of the Year, and even some epic failures—like the time an LMS mishap spammed an entire company. With humor, honesty, and practical wisdom, this conversation will leave you rethinking how learning works, what really matters, and how to design experiences people never forget.

Key Takeaways

• Creating learning that connects to both hearts and business outcomes is what makes programs stick.
• Collaboration and valuing other people’s strengths always lead to stronger results than going solo.
• Even mistakes and failures can become the spark for some of the best learning experiences.

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Timestamps

• [00:00] Introduction & Vanessa’s background
• [01:31] Why she focuses on meaningful learning experiences
• [03:20] What truly fires her up about L&D
• [05:20] Balancing creativity with business impact
• [07:11] Vanessa’s favorite campaign: “Homecoming”
• [11:06] Personal quirks: gestures, cooking, and food
• [13:36] Learning Spanish—and the reality of failure
• [15:55] Proudest career moments & major awards
• [20:47] Her worst L&D experience: the LMS email fiasco
• [29:01] Vanessa’s best advice for anyone starting in L&D

Links

• Vanessa Trower on Linkedin
• Nexperk
• Tom Bailey on LinkedIn
• Tom Bailey Website

Training is the laziest—and often the worst—solution organizations reach for.

Most organizations rush into training without asking the most important question: what’s the real problem we’re trying to solve? In this episode, Tom Bailey, a seasoned people development maverick, breaks down why traditional training often misses the mark—and what to do instead.

Listeners will discover how to separate real skill gaps from deeper organizational issues, why performance consulting models are essential, and how to create measurable outcomes that actually change behavior. Whether you’re in HR, leadership, or team development, this episode will shift the way you think about learning forever.

Key Takeaways

1. Training requests often mask deeper issues like resources, management, or structure—not just skills gaps.
2. Real people development starts by clarifying the exact behavior change or outcome desired.
3. Using a performance consulting model helps diagnose, address, and measure what truly matters.

Timestamps

[00:00] Don’t jump straight into training

[00:09] Why organizations default to “more training”

[00:22] Asking the critical outcome question

[00:36] When the issue isn’t training at all

[00:52] Examples of hidden causes: resources, pay, shifts

[01:05] Why L&D often misses the real gap

[01:15] The trap of traditional schooling bias

[01:25] What real learning and development should do

[01:35] Using performance consulting to diagnose issues

[01:45] How to measure behavior change that matters

Links

• Tom Bailey on LinkedIn
• Tom Bailey Website