After seven years, 777 episodes, and more than 72.3 million listens, Jay Allen sits down behind the microphone one last time for Safety FM with Jay Allen. This is not a quick sign-off, not a fade-to-black, and not an ending without gratitude. This is a moment of reflection—an honest, heartfelt thank-you to every listener who made this show part of their routine, their workday, their commute, or their learning journey.

In this final episode, Jay opens up about why the time has come to close this chapter, how the show has evolved, and why the next phase of Safety FM lives within The Rated R Safety Show and Jay Allen in the Morning. He speaks directly from the heart about the interviews, the guests, the community, and the people who became part of the story along the way.

This episode is a celebration—a tribute to the conversations that changed perspectives, challenged systems, and connected people from all corners of the world. It’s a moment to pause, breathe, and acknowledge a journey that started as an idea and grew into something far bigger than anyone could have predicted.

And while this is goodbye for now, it is far from the end. Jay’s voice, curiosity, and commentary continue elsewhere on the network. This is simply the closing of one door and the gentle opening of another.

The episode concludes with “ Crossroads at the End of All Things,” an original track created together just days ago—an emotional, fitting final note for a show that has always been about connection, humanity, and the stories behind the work.

Thank you for the listens.

Thank you for the years.

Thank you for being part of this chapter.

Here’s to what comes next.

In this episode, Jay sits down with Dr. Todd Conklin for a deep dive into his newest book, The Stability Trap: How Safe and Stable Organizations Still Find Ways to Fail and What To Do About This Problem. Together, they break down why even the most mature, stable safety systems are far more fragile than they appear—and how organizations unintentionally squeeze out the very capacity they rely on to prevent failure.

Todd shares how a conversation with David Woods sparked the initial idea, how the economy and pressure for shareholder value are influencing safety margins, and why organizations must rethink what “stability” actually means. They also explore how AI unexpectedly shaped the book’s ending, why AI won’t replace safety professionals, and how tools like NotebookLM can reorganize our thinking and reveal blind spots we didn’t know we had.

The two dive into the pitfalls of “Drive to Zero,” middle-management pressure, worker complacency narratives, brittle systems, pandemic lessons, wearables, and the paradox of calling a safety program “mature.” If you’re in safety, operations, leadership, or you simply care about how real work gets done, this conversation offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at where the field is heading next.

A thoughtful, honest, and wide-ranging conversation you won’t want to miss.

In this episode of Safety FM Mini, host Jay Allen explores the moments in our careers and lives when we arrive at a crossroads — those pivotal points that demand a decision about where we go next. Jay challenges listeners to think about how they choose their direction: what drives their decisions, what influences them, and how they evaluate whether the path they’re taking is the right one.

It’s a short but powerful reflection on awareness, intention, and growth — a reminder that every choice shapes the journey ahead.

🎙️ Safety FM Mini — because sometimes, all it takes is a few minutes to spark a change in perspective.