In today’s episode of Business at the Speed of AI, Jeremy Victor sits down with Special Forces veteran Perry Rearick to explore one of the most underestimated leadership traits in the modern workplace: courage.
From the battlefields of Iraq to the boardrooms of corporate America, courage is no longer about dramatic heroism — it’s about telling the truth, staying grounded under pressure, challenging outdated systems, and leading with emotional intelligence in an AI-first, always-on economy.
Together, Jeremy and Perry break down the three types of modern courage every leader needs:
1. Emotional Courage
Responding instead of reacting, maintaining control in moments of stress, and setting the emotional tone for those you lead.
2. Moral Courage
Telling the truth, giving honest feedback, speaking up for others, and standing firm in your values — even when it's uncomfortable.
3. Strategic Courage
Challenging biases, breaking legacy systems, modernizing how we work, and choosing long-term transformation over short-term comfort.
This conversation bridges military leadership, personal growth, and The More Effect leadership framework to reveal the practical, human skills that matter most in the age of AI.
If you’re a modern leader, manager, or professional navigating transformation — this is an episode you’ll come back to more than once.
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00:00 – Opening & Introductions
01:00 – Why Courage Is the First Trait in The More Effect
02:00 – Perry’s Medal of Honor Mentor: The Truth About Courage
04:00 – The Quiet Moments That Require the Most Courage
05:00 – Jeremy’s Personal Challenge: Conflict Avoidance
06:45 – How Courage Shows Up in Professional Growth
08:00 – The Origin of CHOP: Courage, Hope, Optimism, Pursuit of All Three
09:30 – Is Courage Taught in the Military?
11:00 – The Weight of Leadership & Lives
12:45 – Corporate Courage vs. Combat Courage
14:30 – The Up-or-Out System in Military Leadership
17:00 – Why Values Matter More Than Bold Action
20:00 – Hard Decisions & Identity in Leadership
22:00 – Two Leadership Archetypes: Fire Breathers vs. Magnifiers of Good
24:30 – Emotional Courage: Responding vs. Reacting
25:30 – Perry’s Combat Story on Emotional Control
27:30 – Emotional Leadership in Customer Experience
29:00 – Moral Courage: Truth, Bias, and Protecting People
31:00 – Humor That Hurts: Jeremy’s Self-Reflection Moment
33:00 – The Loneliness of Leadership & The Weight of Words
35:00 – Strategic Courage: Breaking Legacy Systems
37:30 – Achievement Knows No Gender (Parity Now)
40:00 – Applying the Three Courage Types
42:30 – Truth-Telling During Layoffs: Leadership Realities
44:00 – Speaking Up and Ethical Leadership
46:00 – Redefining HARD & The Future of Courage
49:30 – Reflection Prompts for Courageous Leaders
52:00 – What the Courageous Version of You Would Do
53:30 – Give the Gift of More Campaign
54:30 – Closing Thoughts
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