In this less-edited redux of one of our wildest early episodes, Gary and John head back into Johnny’s infamous haunted basement with psychic-medium and author Cathy Nadal to see what still lurks in the dark. With cameras rolling this time, Cathy walks into the space cold and immediately starts pulling detailed hits on the building’s history, secret societies, and a vicious Scottish spirit named Edward—long before the spirit boxes ever turn on. As the tension builds, the energy spikes so hard that an object literally flies off the wall, and everyone has to decide whether to keep going or get out.​

This re-release is the raw, nearly unfiltered cut of that night: more basement, more spirits, more of Cathy and Johnny comparing their abilities, and more of Edward’s taunts as he wages his own “fight for the nexus.” You’ll hear how Cathy validates years of Johnny’s basement investigations, calls out a serpentine secret order, and even gets directly acknowledged—and threatened—by the spirits themselves.​

If you heard the original audio-only version, this is your chance to experience the full Big Ghost Energy of that session with added video and fewer cuts, exactly as it unfolded in real time.

On this week’s episode of Splintered Spirits, Gary and John go off-script and deep into the tension between believers and professional skeptics in the paranormal world. They unpack their conversations with skeptic heavyweights. From what it would actually take to convince a skeptic—a levitating grandfather clock, maybe?—to how evidence is judged in science versus ghost hunting, they probe why some people need something almost cinematically impossible before they’ll even consider spirits might be real.

They also pull back the curtain on the cottage industry of rage‑bait creators who build channels by tearing down mediums, investigators, and even grief counselors, using Gary’s mind‑bending reading with psychic medium Cathy Nadal as a case study. Along the way, they tease a loaded slate of upcoming episodes: a conversation‑driven Shanley Hotel deep dive, a sit‑down with REM pod and SB7 inventor Gary Galka, another skeptic interview with Benjamin Radford, an intimate look at sexual energy and spirits with an adult film star, and a full Turkish‑coffee reading with Cathy that will delight believers and make skeptics grind their teeth.

James Underdown has spent over 25 years trying to give away $500,000 to anyone who can prove a paranormal ability under real test conditions, and no one has even come close. In this episode, Gary and John sit down with the executive director of Center for Inquiry West and founder of the Independent Investigations Group to dig into wild claims of telepathy, telekinesis, dowsing, “teleporting” horseflies, and the ghost gadgets that flood paranormal TV, while James explains why he believes science and psychology can fully account for what many people call hauntings.

Rather than arguing about who is “right,” the conversation leans into the tension between John’s work documenting spirits and James’s commitment to skeptical investigation, exploring where brain states, belief, culture, and genuine weird experiences collide. If you are fascinated by ghosts, curious about what is really happening during spirit box sessions, or just want to hear a skeptic and a paranormal creator push each other in real time, this episode will challenge your assumptions without killing the thrill of the unknown.

If you think you have the abilities to win the $500,000 prize, visit the CIF. Link is in the linktree in our bio.