This week, we're introducing Tangent listeners to another podcast in the commercial real estate ecosystem: In The Loop from LoopNet.

How can workplaces endure ecologically, financially, and socially?

In this episode of In the Loop, Jordan Goldstein, co-CEO of Gensler, explores the future of sustainable and resilient office design. From global design trends and innovative materials to the role of AI in commercial real estate, Jordan shares how the industry is rethinking sustainability. You’ll learn why repositioning existing buildings matters, how policy and incentives drive real change, and what it takes to create workplaces built for tomorrow.

In the Loop is LoopNet’s commercial real estate podcast highlighting the people, ideas, and innovations shaping the future of work. For bonus video content, check out our YouTube channel.

Timestamps
00:00 - Welcome to the show and introduction of In The Loop podcast drop
01:01 - Phil Hazelhurst welcomes guest Jordan Goldstein, Co-CEO of Gensler
03:34 - How sustainability, resiliency, and “flight to quality” are reshaping office real estate
06:57 - The rise of AI in architecture & how Gensler uses tech to design smarter, lower-carbon spaces
13:38 - Materials makeover: mass timber, low-carbon concrete, and the future of building systems
19:37 - Global perspectives and the power of repositioning old buildings instead of starting new
26:24 - Gensler’s own electrified office and how the firm lives its sustainability mission in practice
37:42 - Final thoughts: Why design is an act of optimism and where sustainable real estate goes next
40:19 - Edward recaps conversation

Links & references:

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Ryan Sawchuk is the VP of Product at Crexi, where he leads cross-functional teams to build advanced, data-rich tools aimed at transforming the commercial real estate workflow. With more than 15 years in product leadership, Ryan specializes in crafting AI-enabled, scalable solutions that boost transaction velocity, improve user experience, and integrate seamlessly into CRE operations. Prior to Crexi, Ryan held senior product roles at Indeed, Procore, and LinkedIn, shaping core features and driving growth in high-scale tech environments. He earned his education from Princeton University, which laid the foundation for his data-driven, user-first product philosophy. At Crexi, Ryan’s vision is to bridge the gap between real estate professionals and cutting-edge technology, making complex CRE data more accessible, actionable, and efficient. This is episode was recorded live at Blueprint Vegas 2025.

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Colton Pace is a founder and currently the CEO of Ownwell, a Proptech company dedicated to democratizing access to real estate expertise and reducing the hidden costs of homeownership. Under his leadership, Ownwell helps homeowners and property owners identify and appeal overvalued property taxes, reduce insurance and utility costs, and manage other home‑related expenses through data, automation, and local expert teams. Before founding Ownwell, Colton served as an investor, asset manager, and venture capitalist, helping manage billions of dollars across various asset classes. He was part of funds that made early investments in companies such as Uber, Spotify, Redfin, Snowflake, UiPath, Zuora, and Grab.

(01:05) - VC to PropTech Founder
(03:10) - $797B Property Tax Problem
(04:48) - Ownwell Traction: 700K+ Homes and SMB/CRE
(06:18) - AI Plus 80 Consultants: How Appeals Get Done
(08:50) - Success Rates and Savings: Residential vs Commercial
(11:27) - Portfolio Case Study: 124 SFR Properties in Texas
(13:45) - Valuation Methods and Local Differences
(16:13) - Market Size: $50 to 60B Opportunity
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(19:02) - Beyond Taxes: Insurance, Loans, Utilities, Concierge
(21:30) - Building Trust with Homeowners and CRE Owners
(24:03) - Advice for PropTech Founders Selling into Real Estate
(26:49) - Collaboration Superpower: Matthew McConaughey

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➡️ Visit Ownwell
➡️ Colton Pace on LinkedIn

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