Psychologist and author Dr. Ingrid Clayton joins Ilana and Cristina to share how her own complex PTSD led her to write, "Fawning: Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves--and How to Find Our Way Back." These three delightful recovering fawners have a powerful conversation that illuminates how fawning happens and how to widen your window of tolerance, grow, and accept where you're at. The move towards "unfawning" takes work, can feel bad, but curiosity can start to get you back in contact with your own body and self. . . maybe for the first time.

Also, fuck Epstein and how the women who have spoken out are being treated. We see you Pam, and we think you're a raging cunt.

Shoutouts: Erin McAnoy, Michelle Villemaire, Resmaa Menakem's "My Grandmother's Hands,"

Endorsements: REST! Not because you're burn out but rest for rest's sake, easy STRETCHING, and CURIOSITY

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Ilana and Cristina get high on Ed...education that is! And they explore the metaphysical side of life - mostly through Ilana's dog. No matter what your beliefs, it's clear that mother nature has the coolest shit out there; schools of fish, trees that communicate through intricate fungi networks and duck-bill platypuses. I mean what even are they?! Life is wild.

Shoutouts: Fran Tait Pet psychic, Telepathy Tapes, Laura Lynn Jackson's Signs, LTC

Endorsements: Rosalia, Bad Bunny, Putumayo

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Email us at thatssomentalpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you to our producer and sound engineer, Elizabeth Baquet and everyone at Ninth Planet Audio. Theme song created by Mike Costantini.

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Podcast and radio legend Phil Hendrie joins big time radio lovers Ilana and Cristina. They're all flying high on Wellbutrin and L-Theanine. Listen in as they talk about control, crying, and doing silly voices for sanity.

Shoutouts: Easy Rider, Apocalypse Now, Clockwork Orange. The Pitch, Liam Sullivan

Endorsements: Nichiren Buddhism, Creatine, Hendrie Documentary,

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Email us at thatssomentalpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you to our producer and sound engineer, Elizabeth Baquet and everyone at Ninth Planet Audio. Theme song created by Mike Costantini.

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