Ben listens to a sermon full length, commenting along the way.

Lee was never in the church, but he's well versed in apologetics and curious about the COG. So he and Ben talk over his questions.

Ben and John read and discuss their expulsion letters from the church.

Gloria and Ben discuss the Apostles' demand for money and a false prophecy, leaving the church and religion altogether, acclimating to the world,  and all that jazz.

Here are links to sermons and talks we reference in our conversation:

Apostle Stephen Hargrave extorts money from the Chihuahua Congregation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY8hCUMdhYs

Apostle Stephen Hargrave explains his actions in Chihuahua:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPnTVG8lBZI&t=924s

Apostle Elisabeth Oppel prophesies a healing that doesn’t come to pass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnmVgsldT0o

Am I a child of God? Adam Pamer doesn't think so. What's the difference between the modern and ancient apostles anyway? Adam, James and I argue, agree, disagree, they tell me they love me, call me brother, and also tell me I'm being demonic. All in good fun. 

What do the lack and loss of belief mean in a person's life? What is Atheism? Agnosticism? Humanism? Nihilism? Where do unbelievers get their morals? I also discuss the culture of atheism, and alternatives to atheism as a landing place after your deconstruction. Whether it's your unbelief or someone else's, hopefully this helps you understand it better. 

Henry talks about growing up in the COG, getting engaged, and getting out.  Along the way he tells about being in the Aylmer congregation during their COVID protests and counter-protests, the introduction of moving pictures to the group, and discovering a direct connection with God apart from apostolic interference.

Once a young minister in the COG, Robert shares wisdom from his journey in and out of the group. Is there utility in guilt? Is God a male? Is German His primary language? All this and more.