In this episode of The Layover, Tracy (CEO) and Patrick (COO) unpack what it really takes for visionary and operator energy to coexist—and thrive—in a growing business. They dive into the natural push-and-pull between the CEO’s role as the dreamer, strategist, and storyteller, and the COO’s role as the executor, optimizer, and reality-checker.

With humor and honesty, the duo shares their own experiences working side by side, including the highs of having a complementary partnership and the inevitable clashes that come with different leadership lenses. Tracy highlights the CEO’s responsibility to set vision, inspire teams, and rally investors, while Patrick sheds light on the COO’s focus on structure, processes, and getting the details right.

The conversation explores:

• Vision vs. Execution – why companies need both big-picture thinking and operational discipline.
• Conflict & Balance – how healthy tension between CEO and COO energy creates better outcomes.
• Communication Styles – the art of translating vision into actionable steps without losing momentum.
• Lessons Learned – real stories from running TRAX and Mind & Social, and how they keep their partnership strong.

The episode is packed with practical insights, a few laughs, and a behind-the-scenes look at how two very different leadership energies can align to build something lasting.

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In this episode of The Layover, Tracy and Patrick dive into the power of setting your North Star goals—the big-picture vision that guides you through the chaos of business and life. They share stories of how easy it is to get lost in the daily grind, the detours, and even the turbulence that comes with growing a business. But when you have a clear North Star, you always know which direction to head, no matter how many times the path shifts. Tune in for laughs, insights, and practical tips on staying aligned with your purpose while still enjoying the ride.

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In this episode of The Layover, we dive into a tough truth of entrepreneurship and leadership: not everyone is rooting for you. People are often quick to critique when you stumble, but they go silent when you succeed. Why is that?

We break down the psychology behind why some people resist celebrating others’ wins—jealousy, comparison, scarcity mindset—and explore how this affects entrepreneurs emotionally and professionally. More importantly, we talk about how to flip the script: protecting your mindset, finding the people who genuinely support you, and learning to celebrate yourself unapologetically.

At the end of the day, the absence of applause doesn’t make your success any less real. Your journey is for you, not for the critics.

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