Ni’coel and Cephra pry open the cultural certainty around empathy and propose a more intelligent starting point: xenopathy. Rather than projecting sameness: “I know how you feel because I’d feel that way too if I were in your shoes,” xenopathy begins by acknowledging radical difference, and by tolerating the ignorance and anxiety that difference evokes. Empathy, Ni'coel argues, often collapses distinction into relatability, inviting projection, bias, and even performative concern. Xenopathy reframes the task as ethical care without the precondition of identification, imagination, or love. They test concrete cases (grief, gender, race, organizational life, DEI), and return to Human Decision Intelligence's core: skill has less use without capacity. By changing the language we start with, we change the decisions we make, trading tidy heuristics for curiosity, responsibility, and more accurate care across real asymmetries of risk and experience.

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🔸Cohost: Cephra Stuart is a multidisciplinary storyteller, writer, director, actor, and singer. At Mansa and the Walt Disney Studios, she worked on audience research, content strategy, and DEI analytics to champion inclusive storytelling. Earlier in her career, she also supported culture and engagement initiatives at Bumble and Twitter, helping shape the internal environments and strategy behind some of today’s most influential platforms.