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  • Episode 9: The Big Reveal
    Nov 27 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast – Season One – The Strange Story of Savannah’s Ancient Roman Statuary. In this penultimate episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos finally gains rare access to the Greenwich statues after years of research, persistence, and archival sleuthing. Accompanied by Luciana Spracher, the City of Savannah archivist, and Dr. Mark Abbe, she steps into a hidden storage space on the edge of the city and encounters centuries-old marble pieces that have remained out of public view for decades. Standing among the statues, Jessica reflects on the layers of history, artistry, and human ambition embedded in each piece. Savannah Alderman Nick Palumbo shares his perspective on the city’s role in preserving these treasures, highlighting the challenges and decisions involved in caring for such a unique collection. Questions about their origins, authenticity, and significance linger—but the biggest question remains: What will happen to them next? As the statues remain in the city’s care, this episode leaves listeners with a sense of discovery, reverence, and anticipation for the final chapter of the Savannah Sideways Podcast Season One: The Strange Story of Savannah’s Ancient Roman Statuary. SHOW LINKS: Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos Check out Savannah Sideways Substack Check out Jessica's books Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE: Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island Tybee Island Marina BG’s Seafood Co-Op Bonaventure Don The 5 Spot Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum Shot By Somi SIXBY Lone Wolf Lounge Over Yonder Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 The Big Reveal 00:17 First Encounter with the Statues 02:08 Dr. Abbey's Examination 03:33 Historical Context and Provenance 05:07 Repatriation and Ethical Considerations 10:23 The Future of the Statues 13:51 Savannah's Economic Growth and Preservation 16:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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    28 min
  • Episode 8: The Bridge to Sapelo
    Nov 20 2025
    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary. In this eighth episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos follows the unexpected trail of Savannah’s ancient statuary all the way to Georgia’s barrier islands—revealing a sweeping story of wealth, land, loss, resilience, and one of the most culturally important communities in the United States. Beginning with the Greenwich estate’s original owners, Jessica traces how industrialist Spencer Shotter and later the Torrey family shaped both Savannah and the coastal islands through their lavish mansions, art collections, and Gilded Age pursuits. Their legacies intertwine with other elite landowners of the era, ultimately leading to Sapelo Island and the enigmatic Reynolds Mansion—one of the last surviving Gilded Age estates in Georgia. Jessica explores how tobacco heir R.J. Reynolds transformed Sapelo into his own secluded retreat, even adding surreal features like circus murals and a life-sized menagerie painted by an Italian muralist. But her journey into the mansion’s faded opulence becomes a pathway to a deeper story: the history and present struggles of Sapelo’s Gullah Geechee residents, descendants of enslaved West and Central Africans who cultivated rice, cotton, indigo, and sugar along the coastal lowlands. Their agricultural expertise was foundational to the region’s wealth, yet their cultural identity has remained remarkably intact through centuries of isolation and community strength. Listeners are introduced to Sistah Patt Gunn, Savannah’s internationally known Gullah Geechee storyteller and historian, who explains how the Geechee and Gullah identities formed across Georgia and the Carolinas. With her guidance, Jessica uncovers the legacy of Bilali Muhammad, the highly educated and devout Muslim enslaved on Sapelo who managed the island’s vast agricultural operations and left behind an extraordinary Arabic manuscript still studied today. His descendants—and those of his seven daughters—helped establish vibrant Geechee settlements across Sapelo that thrived well into the 20th century. Jessica then travels to the island to meet Maurice Bailey, son of the late author Cornelia Walker Bailey and founder of SOLO (Sapelo Island Save Our Legacy Ourself). Riding with Maurice through Hogg Hummock and the historic cemeteries, she learns how Sapelo’s Geechee community has been threatened by land pressure, rising seas, political maneuvering, zoning changes, and an ongoing struggle for representation. Their challenges echo a long history of exploitation—from mid-century land seizures to recent attempts to rezone ancestral property for large-scale vacation homes. The episode also reflects on the tragic collapse of Sapelo’s ferry dock in October 2024, which claimed the lives of seven elders who had just celebrated the island’s heritage. Jessica connects this heartbreaking event to the broader theme of loss—of stories, traditions, and irreplaceable cultural memory. Through it all, Jessica discovers that the “bridge” connecting Savannah’s statues to Sapelo is not architectural but symbolic. The wealth that imported Roman art and built Gilded Age mansions came directly from the expertise and forced labor of West African people whose descendants still fight to remain on their coastal homeland. Their story is inseparable from the story of Savannah’s art, architecture, and identity. And as Jessica prepares for the penultimate episode, she reminds listeners that the history we preserve—or fail to—will shape the legacy we leave behind. SHOW LINKS: Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos Check out Savannah Sideways Substack Check out Jessica's books Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE: Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island Tybee Island Marina BG’s Seafood Co-Op Bonaventure Don The 5 Spot Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum Shot By Somi SIXBY Lone Wolf Lounge Over Yonder Celebritees FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE: 00:00 Introduction: The Bridge to Sapelo 00:04 The Gilded Age and Georgia's Barrier Islands 03:39 The Reynolds Mansion and Sapelo Island 05:11 Exploring Sapelo Island's Gullah Geechee Heritage 11:55 Challenges Facing the Gullah Geechee Community 16:08 Current Efforts and Future Hopes 21:51 Conclusion: The Resilience of Sapelo Island
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    35 min
  • Episode 7: The Mystery of the Missing Sphinxes
    Nov 13 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary.

    EPISODE 7 – The Mystery of the Missing Sphinxes

    In this seventh episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos delves into one of Savannah’s most tantalizing historical enigmas: the whereabouts of the missing Greenwich Sphinxes. After tracing the 19-piece statue collection recovered from the estate, Jessica uncovers the lesser-known fragments of Greenwich — wrought iron planters, marble columns, and architectural remnants lost to fire, neglect, or rumor. But it is the pair of Egyptian Sphinxes, glimpsed in archival photographs and silent film, that sparks her obsessive quest.

    Joining Jessica is Savannah historian Hugh Golson, whose lifetime of research into the city’s architecture and antiques offers new insight into the statues’ journey. From early 20th-century newspapers to the memories of local families, Hugh pieces together a story spanning decades, revealing that these enigmatic sculptures once graced private homes long after they vanished from public view. Along the way, listeners encounter Savannah’s quirky, colorful personalities, from graveyard directors to civic preservationists, each adding texture to the Sphinxes’ tale.

    Jessica and Hugh also explore the broader cultural fascination with Egyptian motifs in America during the Gilded Age, situating the Greenwich Sphinxes within a national trend of Egyptian-inspired art, architecture, and decorative objects. Were the statues truly ancient, or beautifully crafted products of 19th-century collectors’ ambitions? Through photographs, archival research, and expert insight, the episode examines authenticity, provenance, and the ways stories of art and history intertwine with Savannah’s local lore.

    This episode invites listeners to wander the thin line between myth and reality, reminding us that history is not only about what survives — it’s about what we choose to remember, preserve, and seek out. The Sphinxes’ story is far from over, and Jessica teases the next chapter in their remarkable and mysterious journey.

    SHOW LINKS:

    Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos

    Check out Savannah Sideways Substack

    Check out Jessica's books

    Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media

    THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE:

    Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear

    Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island

    Tybee Island Marina

    BG’s Seafood Co-Op

    Bonaventure Don

    The 5 Spot

    Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum

    Shot By Somi

    SIXBY

    Lone Wolf Lounge

    Over Yonder

    Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 Introduction: The Mystery of the Missing Sphinxes

    00:05 Uncovering the Greenwich Collection

    00:44 The Disappearance of the Sphinxes

    01:58 Historical Insights from Hugh Golson

    03:27 The Forsyth Park Sphinxes

    06:34 The Greenwich Sphinxes Resurface

    09:11 The Sphinxes' Journey to Augusta

    12:54 Modern-Day Mysteries and Speculations

    15:59 Conclusion: The Ongoing Mystery

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    24 min
  • Episode 6: Breaking Down the Myths
    Nov 6 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary.

    EPISODE 6 – Breaking Down the Myths

    In this sixth episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos digs deeper into the fascinating world of ancient art and modern mythmaking. Joined once again by Dr. Mark Abbe, University of Georgia professor and global expert in antiquities and art restoration, Jessica unpacks how America’s Gilded Age fascination with marble and grandeur shaped our collective imagination — and, in some ways, distorted history.

    From the lavish collections of tycoons like J.P. Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, and Isabella Stewart Gardner, to the stately Southern estates that mirrored their northern counterparts, we explore how art collecting became both a symbol of sophistication and a tool for shaping America’s cultural identity. These early art patrons saw themselves not just as collectors, but as civilizers, building museums, libraries, and institutions meant to uplift the public — even as their wealth and privilege drew scrutiny.

    Dr. Abbe also sheds light on one of art history’s biggest misconceptions: the myth of the “pure white” marble statue. Through groundbreaking scientific research, he reveals that the sculpted figures of ancient Greece and Rome were once vividly painted in lifelike colors — red lips, golden hair, and skin tones in every shade. This revelation challenges centuries of Western ideals about beauty, culture, and race, and exposes how a simple misunderstanding became an aesthetic standard with deep social implications.

    As Jessica connects Savannah’s own Roman relics to this broader narrative, she invites listeners to reconsider what authenticity really means — in art, in history, and in how we tell our stories. Were the Greenwich statues truly ancient, or clever reconstructions? And what truths lie hidden beneath their white marble sheen?

    This episode reminds us that history isn’t static marble — it’s painted in color, layered with meaning, and alive with questions.

    SHOW LINKS:

    Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos

    Check out Savannah Sideways Substack

    Check out Jessica's books

    Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media

    THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE:

    Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear

    Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island

    Tybee Island Marina

    BG’s Seafood Co-Op

    Bonaventure Don

    The 5 Spot

    Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum

    Shot By Somi

    SIXBY

    Lone Wolf Lounge

    Over Yonder

    Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 Introduction to Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary

    00:57 The Rise of American Art Collecting

    04:34 Gilded Age Philanthropy and Art

    08:35 Carnegie Libraries in Savannah

    11:37 The Mystery of the Greenwich Statues

    19:09 The Truth About Ancient Roman Statuary

    24:35 Conclusion and Teasers for Next Episode

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    27 min
  • Episode 5: Meet the Statues
    Oct 30 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary.

    EPISODE 5 – Meet the Statues

    In this fifth episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos traces the fate of the Greenwich statues after the devastating fire that destroyed the Shotter mansion. What followed was a haunting chapter in Savannah’s history — an era when the city, still reeling from the Great Depression, struggled between preservation and progress.

    As the ruins of the once-opulent Greenwich estate decayed into gothic splendor, Savannah’s economy transformed — from cotton and sugar to paper and industry. Jessica uncovers how marble relics of the past languished in city storage for decades, passed between departments and museums, nearly forgotten amid changing times and civic priorities.

    Listeners are introduced to Harry Delorme, Senior Curator at the Telfair Museums, who has spent nearly four decades studying and preserving the Greenwich statuary. He offers insights into how these ancient works fit into Savannah’s evolving artistic narrative — from classical ideals to contemporary inclusion. We also meet Luciana Spracher, Director of the City of Savannah’s Municipal Archives, whose meticulous records illuminate the statues’ bureaucratic journey through time — including their appraisal, forgotten crates, and rediscovery.

    This episode explores what gives art its worth: is it marble, money, or memory? And how does a city decide what’s worth keeping? As Jessica connects the past to the present, we see that the story of the Greenwich statues is as much about Savannah’s future as it is its past.

    SHOW LINKS:

    Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos

    Check out Savannah Sideways Substack

    Check out Jessica's books

    Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media

    THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE:

    Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear

    Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island

    Tybee Island Marina

    BG’s Seafood Co-Op

    Bonaventure Don

    The 5 Spot

    Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum

    Shot By Somi

    SIXBY

    Lone Wolf Lounge

    Over Yonder

    Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 The Abandoned Greenwich Mansion

    00:40 Savannah's Economic Struggles and Industrial Growth

    02:38 The Fate of the Greenwich Statues

    04:39 The Telfair Museum's Role

    05:54 Harry Delore's Contributions

    11:39 Modern Art and Environmental Commentary

    14:32 The 2012 Appraisal and City Council Decisions

    17:30 Dr. Mark Abbey's Research and Future Plans

    19:03 Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode

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    26 min
  • Episode 4: Ossabaw Coincidences & Connections
    Oct 23 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary.

    EPISODE 4 – Ossabaw Coincidences & Connections: In this fourth episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos follows the Torrey family’s journey from the ashes of their Greenwich mansion to the wild beauty of Ossabaw Island, uncovering how loss, legacy, and a touch of magic intertwined to shape one of Georgia’s most fascinating conservation stories.

    Meet Eleanor “Sandy” Torrey West, the indomitable woman who turned her family’s Gilded Age retreat into a crucible for art, science, and spiritual exploration. From the ruins of Greenwich Place to the pink stucco mansion on Ossabaw, Sandy’s life bridges eras—where ancient myths meet modern activism and coincidence feels more like cosmic choreography.

    Through conversations with Elizabeth DuBose of the Ossabaw Island Foundation and a deeply personal story of discovery, Jessica traces how statues, stories, and serendipity connect Savannah’s past to its present. Along the way, we meet a cast of visionaries—artists, philosophers, conservationists—and a woman whose 108 years embodied the spirit of the island she fought to save.

    This episode is about more than marble and memory. It’s about meaning: how we follow signs, find purpose in patterns, and keep listening for the gods—Hermes included—who travel beside us.

    SHOW LINKS:

    Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos

    Check out Savannah Sideways Substack

    Check out Jessica's books

    Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media

    THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE:

    Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear

    Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island

    Tybee Island Marina

    BG’s Seafood Co-Op

    Bonaventure Don

    The 5 Spot

    Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum

    Shot By Somi

    SIXBY

    Lone Wolf Lounge

    Over Yonder

    Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 Introduction: Ossabaw Coincidences and Connections

    00:13 The Torrey Family's New Beginning on Ossabaw Island

    00:37 The Rich History of Georgia's Barrier Islands

    01:26 Ossabaw Island Through the Ages

    03:18 The Torrey Family Legacy and the Pink Mansion

    05:49 Sandy West: The Woman Who Saved Ossabaw

    08:55 The Ossabaw Island Project and Genesis Project

    10:02 The Fight to Preserve Ossabaw Island

    12:38 Sandy West's Final Years and Legacy

    16:15 The Author's Personal Journey and Connection to the Story

    22:25 The Auction and the Photograph

    28:10 Conclusion: The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary

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    36 min
  • Episode 3: In Turpentine We Trust
    Oct 16 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary.

    EPISODE 3 – In Turpentine We Trust: In this third episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos traces Savannah’s rise from post–Civil War hardship to Gilded Age opulence through an unlikely source—turpentine. As the longleaf pine forests fueled a booming naval stores industry, fortunes were made, ecosystems were destroyed, and entire communities were bound to brutal labor and debt.

    Meet Spencer Shotter, the magnate whose pine-scented empire made him one of Savannah’s richest men—and ultimately led to his downfall under America’s first antitrust prosecutions. Along the way, historian Dr. Drew Swanson sheds light on the environmental legacy of the longleaf pine, and we follow the thread from the Gilded Age to the Progressive Era, where unchecked capitalism finally met reform.

    The story culminates in fire and renewal— and the extraordinary life of Sandy West, whose legacy transformed Georgia’s conservation movement.

    This episode uncovers how pine sap, power, and progress shaped Savannah’s fortunes—and how one man’s empire helped set the stage for the city’s most enduring mysteries.

    YOUTUBE VIDEO MENTIONED: Greenwich At Bonaventure Cemetery-Savannah GA's Own Biltmore House-Forgotten No Longer

    SHOW LINKS:

    Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos

    Check out Savannah Sideways Substack

    Check out Jessica's books

    Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media

    THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE:

    Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear

    Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island

    Tybee Island Marina

    BG’s Seafood Co-Op

    Bonaventure Don

    The 5 Spot

    Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum

    Shot By Somi

    SIXBY

    Lone Wolf Lounge

    Over Yonder

    Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 Introduction to Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary

    02:12 The Rise of Savannah's Naval Stores Industry

    04:16 Environmental and Social Impact of Turpentine Production

    10:30 The Decline of the Naval Stores Industry

    17:44 Spencer Shotter's Legal Troubles and Legacy

    24:06 The Tragic Fire at Greenwich Place

    25:51 Sandy Tory West and the Preservation of Ossabaw Island

    26:35 Conclusion and Sponsor Messages

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    29 min
  • Episode 2: If the Land Could Talk
    Oct 9 2025

    Welcome to the Savannah Sideways Podcast - Season One - The Strange Story of Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary.

    EPISODE 2 - If the Land Could Talk: In this second episode, host Jessica Leigh Lebos recounts the enigmatic history of Greenwich Cemetery, once the site of an opulent estate filled with 2000-year-old Roman statues.

    From General Oglethorpe's founding of Savannah to the tragic fate of the Yamacraw people, we explore the multifaceted narratives woven into this land. Learn about the mysterious burial of Revolutionary War Hero Casimir Pulaski, the grandeur of the Greenwich Place mansion, and the Shotters' extravagant art collection, including a shipment of ancient statues that took nearly five years to arrive.

    This episode delves deep into Savannah's historical layers, touching on both well-documented facts and unresolved mysteries.

    SHOW LINKS:

    Meet Jessica Leigh Lebos

    Check out Savannah Sideways Substack

    Check out Jessica's books

    Meet the Producers: Dee Daniels Media

    THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS SHOW POSSIBLE:

    Dr. Erika Morrow and the team at ForSight Unique Eye Care & Eye Wear

    Bubba Gumbo's Tybee Island

    Tybee Island Marina

    BG’s Seafood Co-Op

    Bonaventure Don

    The 5 Spot

    Ships of the Sea Maritime Museum

    Shot By Somi

    SIXBY

    Lone Wolf Lounge

    Over Yonder

    Celebritees

    FIND A FAVORITE SPOT IN THIS EPISODE:

    00:00 Introduction to Savannah's Ancient Roman Statuary

    01:40 The Origins of Greenwich Cemetery

    05:46 The Revolutionary War and Kasmir Pulaski

    19:26 The Civil War and Its Aftermath

    24:50 The Gilded Age and Spencer Shotter's Mansion

    30:29 The Arrival of the Roman Statuary

    30:48 Conclusion and Sponsor Messages

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    33 min