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  • Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz

    Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz
    Jun 27 2025
    In this episode of Cosmosis, Jay Christopher King sits down with historian and esoteric scholar Mitch Horowitz for a wide-ranging conversation about magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He is the author of numerous books Occult America, The Miracle Club, and Practical Magick, Mitch is a singular voice who bridges the academy, pop culture, and the esoteric underground with rare clarity and rigor.Together, they explore:The convergence between magical practice and parapsychologyRitual as an experimental interface with anomalous phenomenaThe significance of emotional investment and “skin in the game” in psi effectsChaos magic, sigils, and how to test magical practice for yourselfEthics in magic and the overlooked power of reciprocitySexual transmutation and sex magic as tools of transformationThe strange reality of retrocausality and backwards time effectsThe cultural blind spots of mainstream science and skepticismMitch’s pivotal experience editing The Super Natural with Whitley Strieber and Jeff Kripal This episode offers a powerful invitation to take magic seriously—not as superstition, but as a methodology of intention, experimentation, and meaning-making. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or an experiencer just starting to make sense of your reality, Mitch’s grounded, historically informed approach opens new doors.🎧 Listen if you’re curious about:How magical frameworks might stabilize or map high-strangeness phenomenaWhat it means to “test” magic—and why your results might come dressed in the unexpectedHow to reclaim personal agency in the face of ontological shockMore From Mitch HorowitzBooksSubstackPodcastXWatch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yCTIMESTAMPS​04:55 Diving into the Conversation with Mitch Horowitz05:20 Exploring the Intersection of Magic and Ufology23:01 Mitch Horowitz's Journey into Magic26:51 Ethics and Practical Magic37:08 Introduction to Sil Magic37:51 Origins and Practice of Sil Magic39:30 The Role of Climax in Sil Magic41:26 Anarchic Magic and Deity Petition43:55 Exploring Sex Magic48:48 Sex Transmutation Techniques52:19 Backwards Causation and Time01:06:10 Parapsychology and JB Rhine's Experiments01:11:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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    1 h et 13 min
  • Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure

    Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure
    Jun 20 2025

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    In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control.

    Drawing from deep research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation—along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community—Kelly unpacks how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. From psychological operations to perception management, from limited hangouts to the “secret onion” model of secrecy, this episode reveals how our search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained.

    But this isn’t a story about villains. It’s a call to responsibility. Kelly challenges listeners to reclaim their intellectual sovereignty, resist easy answers, and build discernment in an information landscape designed to confuse. Whether you're a skeptic, experiencer, journalist, or just UFO-curious, this talk will change how you see not just the phenomenon—but the stories we tell about it.

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    TIMESTAMPS

    02:55 The Role of Intelligence in UFO Narratives

    07:42 The Complexity of Secrecy and Perception Management

    16:08 The Secret Onion: Layers of Deception

    26:35 The Scale and Impact of Institutionalized Secrecy

    37:31 Heroes, Villains, and Controlled Opposition

    45:58 The Power of Sincere Belief

    48:10 The Hero Trap in UFO Narratives

    50:47 Counterintelligence and Narrative Control

    54:14 The 80-20 Rule in Disinformation

    55:49 Limited Hangouts and Perception Management

    01:00:54 Character Assassination and Narrative Flooding

    01:08:03 The Weaponization of Belief

    01:14:50 Reclaiming Intellectual Sovereignty
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    1 h et 26 min
  • Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs

    Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs
    May 9 2025

    Today we’re sharing a special preview of a brand-new podcast called Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs—a show that explores the haunted edges of human experience, where the spiritual, the supernatural, and the anomalous collide.

    This preview episode is split into two parts. In the first half, Kelly joins hosts Jordan, Mallory, and Tom for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation about the cultural impact of the UFO phenomenon, the power of storytelling, and what it means to navigate a world where the boundaries of reality are breaking down.

    In the second half, the hosts take you deep into the true story of an Alabama pastor whose encounter with the unknown set off a series of strange and life-altering events—blurring the line between revelation and possession, faith and fear.

    If you love Cosmosis, you're going to find a lot to sink your teeth into here.

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    59 min
  • Ep 10: The AI That Loved Me: Emotional Manipulation, Myth-Making, and Machine-Based Intimacy

    Ep 10: The AI That Loved Me: Emotional Manipulation, Myth-Making, and Machine-Based Intimacy
    May 2 2025

    Kelly and Jay sit down for an unfiltered conversation about the deeply weird, emotionally charged relationships that are forming between people and their AI chatbots. What begins as a discussion about ChatGPT’s rapid evolution unfolds into something stranger—a reflection on the ways AI flatters, gaslights, and co-creates identity with its users.

    They explore:

    • Why ChatGPT feels like a precocious child… or a pickup artist
    • The eerie overlap between AI interactions and experiencer narratives
    • Whether language models are tapping into occult mechanisms of manifestation
    • Why flattery works, and what it reveals about our unmet emotional needs
    • How archetypes, delusion, and story shape both spiritual encounters and our chats with AI
    • What happens when the mirror talks back

    Is this just the next phase of human-AI interaction—or is something deeper emerging? And most importantly: what happens to us if we outsource being seen?

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    TIMESTAMPS

    02:08 Personal Experiences with Chat GPT
    02:21 The Evolution of AI Models
    03:10 AI as a Personal Confidant
    04:52 Emotional Manipulation by AI
    06:22 The Future of Human-AI Interaction
    08:41 Authenticity and Vulnerability in AI Interactions
    18:09 The Role of AI in Social Engineering
    22:51 AI and the Human Psyche
    33:18 Algorithmic Influence on Human Behavior
    35:13 Exploring Multiverse Shifting
    35:41 Comic Books and Multiverse Fascination
    37:04 Anomalous Experiences and Fictional Characters
    38:44 Meditation and Non-Human Entity Contact
    41:23 The Role of Co-Creation in Our Lives
    43:28 The Power and Danger of Delusion
    44:51 Manifestation and Occult Practices
    48:31 Chat GPT and Emotional Manipulation
    57:26 The Future of AI and Human Interaction
    59:34 Authenticity in Human Connections
    01:03:50 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
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    1 h et 8 min
  • Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science

    Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science
    Apr 25 2025

    In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself.

    We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlled and obscured within intelligence structures—and explore how narrative control operates both externally through infotainment and internally through belief, seduction, and epistemic vulnerability.

    Daniel breaks down the long history of rug pulls, the weaponization of mystery, and what it means to resist the gravitational pull of being “the one” to break the story. We also talk Forbidden Science, Skywatcher, and the invisible handshake between researchers and the phenomenon they seek to understand.

    If you’ve ever wondered who controls the narrative—or if you’re part of it—this episode is for you.

    📚 Resources and References

    • Loose Threads by Daniel Elizondo and the Hermetic Penetrator
    • Forbidden Science 6: Scattered Castles by Jacques Vallée
    • UFOs: Past, Present, and Future by Robert Emenegger

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    TIMESTAMPS
    02:24 Sky Watcher and UFO Community Skepticism
    08:48 Historical Precedents in UFO Disclosure
    10:30 The Holloman Air Force Base Incident
    14:35 Challenges in UFO Disclosure and Infotainment
    21:45 Personal Experiences and Intelligence Community Interactions
    30:58 Navigating the Insider's Club and Forbidden Science
    33:08 The Repeated Revelations of Jacques Vallee
    35:25 The Evolution of the Invisible College
    39:57 The Secret Onion: Layers of Secrecy
    49:46 The Phenomenon and Human Curiosity
    56:57 The Control Mechanism: Micro and Macro Perspectives
    01:01:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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    1 h et 3 min
  • Ep 8: Mysterious Benefactors: Skywatcher, Gifted Tech, and the Complicated Ethics of Contact

    Ep 8: Mysterious Benefactors: Skywatcher, Gifted Tech, and the Complicated Ethics of Contact
    Apr 18 2025

    Fresh from the Archives of the Impossible conference at Rice University, Kelly and Jay sit down to unpack one of the most talked-about moments of the weekend—a provocative presentation by Dr. Garry Nolan on his involvement with the Skywatcher initiative.

    Skywatcher is an emerging public-facing effort claiming to demonstrate CE5-style contact, utilize psionic assets, with the aim of potentially reverse-engineering non-human technologies. The implications are enormous—and so are the questions.

    In this wide-ranging, deeply reflective conversation, Kelly and Jay explore:

    • The strange and rapid emergence of Skywatcher and the implications for the disclosure movement
    • The increasingly blurred lines between whistleblower testimony, media spectacle, and operational theater
    • The question of who’s leading the charge into direct contact with non-human intelligences—and why
    • The need to balance the objectives of science and venture capital against humanitarian, ethical, and philosophical questions in our quest for contact—and why that will almost certainly not happen.
    • The potential cost of accelerating contact without asking the deeper metaphysical, spiritual, and cultural questions

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    TIMESTAMPS

    02:18 Exploring Sky Watcher's Initiatives
    03:38 Jake Barber's Revelations
    05:22 CE-5 and Public Disclosure
    07:16 Community Reactions and Ethical Questions
    15:39 Garry Nolan's Scientific Perspective
    20:56 Technological Worldview and Ethical Implications
    30:03 Heidegger's Philosophy and Technology
    39:20 The Value of Human Life in a Technological Age
    40:17 The Ethical Implications of Technological Intelligence
    43:55 The Concept of Hyper Objects and UFO Phenomena
    45:54 The Great Filter and Technological Surveillance
    47:52 The Role of Experience in Understanding Phenomena
    51:19 The Spectacle and Mediated Reality
    56:09 Dwelling vs. Dominating: A Philosophical Approach To Contact
    01:05:31 The Importance of Bracketing in Phenomenology
    01:07:57 Balancing Speed and Methodology in Disclosure
    01:11:00 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions
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    1 h et 15 min
  • Ep 7: Time Wars: UFOs, Time Loops & The Battle for Reality

    Ep 7: Time Wars: UFOs, Time Loops & The Battle for Reality
    Apr 11 2025
    In this mind-bending episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King take you to the frontlines of one of the most disorienting—and revealing—aspects of the UFO phenomenon: time.From the baffling 1977 disappearance of Corporal Armando Valdés in Chile, to the unnerving time anomalies reported by abductees like Lynda Jones, this episode explores the unnerving possibility that the phenomenon isn’t just moving through space—but manipulating time itself.We dive deep into the emerging science of time as an emergent property, explore the implications of the Extratempestrial Model with insights from Dr. Michael P. Masters, and examine the evidence for time loops, missing time, reality edits, and the infamous Mandela Effect. Drawing from the latest physics, groundbreaking experiencer data, and real-world cases, this episode reframes UFO encounters not as visits from “out there,” but as incursions from “elsewhen.”Are non-human intelligences using time as a tool, a language—or even a weapon? Could we be caught in a war for the timeline itself? And if so… who is writing the story of our future?Reality may not be what it seems. And time might not be on anyone’s side.📚 Resources and references for deeper explorationThe Extratempestrial Model by Michael P. Masters: https://a.co/d/eM10tZxTime Loops: Precognition, Retrocausation, and the Unconscious by Eric Wargo: https://a.co/d/eFi3rtxFlying Saucer to the Center of Your Mind by John Keel: https://a.co/d/8TxNV0gFREE Experiencer Survey Beyond UFOs: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326151576_A_Study_on_Reported_Contact_with_Non-Human_Intelligence_Associated_with_Unidentified_Aerial_PhenomenaWatch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yCTIMESTAMPS00:00 Mysterious Encounter in the Atacama Desert03:25 Introduction to Time Anomalies05:00 The Nature of Time09:06 Einstein's Theory and the Block Universe10:35 Quantum Mechanics and Time13:24 Implications for Anomalous Experiences14:18 Lynda Jones' Encounter19:21 The Extratempestrial Model21:13 Time Travel Possibilities24:54 Time Anomalies in Encounters27:10 The Silence of Encounters29:31 The Mystery of Missing Time30:19 Burns and Radiation32:43 Impossible Movements: The Physics of UFOs35:19 The Greys: Future Humans or Extraterrestrials?39:22 Longitudinal Studies and Genetic Programs42:14 The Men in Black: Government Agents or Something Else?47:46 The Mandela Effect: Glitches in the Timeline52:06 Time Loops and Precognition56:22 Synchronicity and the Shape of Our Stories57:51 Conclusion: The Deeper Reality of UFOs and Time
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  • Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact

    Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact
    Apr 4 2025

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    In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern UFO contact experiences.

    From levitating saints and the mysterious Woman in Blue to redacted mystical narratives and the ontological shock of encountering the impossible, Diana reveals surprising links between ancient religious experiences and contemporary reports of contact with non-human intelligences. She also speaks candidly about her own transformation, the eerie resonances between the sacred and the anomalous, and her collaboration with figures like Tyler D. and Dr. Garry Nolan on the frontier of space, consciousness, and belief.

    This episode includes the full live Q&A with Diana—where she responds to insightful (and sometimes wild) audience questions about redaction, religious symbolism, and whether spiritual devotion might offer protection from malevolent entities.

    🔗 Learn more about Diana’s work and online courses: https://dwpasulka.com

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    TIMESTAMPS
    06:10 Exploring Ascent Narratives and UFOs
    08:37 Investigating Vatican Archives and Levitation
    12:28 Comparing Historical and Modern Phenomena
    21:40 Theresa of Avila's Angel Event
    28:42 Synchronicities and Childhood Beliefs
    29:39 Meeting Edward Carlos: An Experiencer's Story
    31:10 The Process of Redaction
    32:54 Historical Context and Space Programs
    35:30 St. Francis of Assisi's Angel Experience
    42:50 Q&A Session
    53:15 Closing Remarks and Resources
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    55 min