We are appreciative that Salmon admitted that being color-blind is controversial. It would've been nice to hear that from Isaac and Trillia in that one episode from season 2. Weak (and also unclear) interview, Austin.

Also, according to the HHS, interracial adoption happens 28% of the time in America. It's routine.

Show note: Jorge thought Nate said "Dr. Franco", the former Dean of Student affairs at the University of Nebraska, but Nate really said "Salvador Blanco".

Jorge and Nate discuss the topic of hymns written by white slaveowners and the if assimilation is Biblical.

Related reference on man-centered or God-centered music from episode: https://www.britannica.com/event/Iconoclastic-Controversy

Jorge, Nate, and Isaac react to podcast United? We Pray episode UWP 126 titled, "BECOMING MORE GRACIOUS WITH FAITH CÔTÉ"., in which Austin Suter sits down with a young woman involved in education and who is also someone interested in topics of racism and disparities. Jorge, Nate, and Isaac take the invitation to examine systems of oppression to analyze an oft-overlooked system that millions of black citizens interact with daily as do millions of other citizens. What ensues is an honest conversation about the year of Our Lord 2020 A.D.

After Nate explains SBC/TGC personalities, Jorge and Nate discuss the ministry strategies mentioned in episode 125, as well as react to the snap back scandal from Darryl Williamson's church. 1 Sam. 16:7

Nate and Isaac discuss the America South, the Church, Ukraine, and other topics covered in episode 115.

Discrimination on immutable characteristics was once frowned upon, but now it's called 'diversity hiring'. Jorge and Nate discuss Nate's ideal diversity candidacy for a non-profit, what the court system experiences with affirmative action at colleges, and how Diversity, Equity and Inclusion is relatively new and relatively idolatrous.

Jorge and Nate respond to United? We Pray's "What We're Reading" episode, season 8 episode number 7, and give their own reading recommendations as well as things to watch out for.  Additionally, Jorge and Nate take a trip down memory lane to recall how they met and how it was surprisingly intertwined with the now-pervasive efforts to promote highly racialized/ racist ideas in society- ideas which have reared their ugly head and greatly impacted businesses, society, and churches.

Jamar Tisby, Director of Narrative, talks with Isaac Adams about reparations and politics and stuff. Jorge and Nate respond.