Today's conversation is with Will Johnson.

Will received his B.A., magna cum laude, in Art and Archaeology from Princeton University in 1968. After graduation, he worked for several years as an art critic in New York before moving to the west coast of North America where he began actively exploring gazing, moving, and sitting meditations. He became a Buddhist practitioner in 1972 and was trained as a Rolfer™ in 1976. He began the formal sharing of the practices of Embodiment Training in 1995. he’s the author of 15 books (two of which won awards as “Best Spiritual Book of the Year.”) on the role of the body in spiritual awakening which can be ordered through your local bookseller or online at Will Johnson's Books .

He and his wife (and partner in the practices) Coco live in Delicias, Costa Rica, just outside the little bohemian town of Montezuma at the southern tip of the Nicoya peninsula where they have created Bambu Hueco, the Hollow Bamboo Retreat Center where they welcome serious meditation students to enter into intensive 7-21 day self retreat. During these retreats, people have the opportunity to work closely with Will in their meditation practices and receive deep bodywork and dream sessions as support for their intensive practice.

In today’s talk we explored the lesser-known tributaries of Dr. Rolf’s vision — what Will calls the “mystery school” of evolutionary transformation. He spoke about the line not only as structural balance, but as a doorway into profound states of awakening, breath, and spontaneous movement.

Will also reflected on the role psychedelics have played in his own path, describing them as catalytic allies that can accelerate openings into these deeper states.

Looking ahead, Will has announced a gathering in Costa Rica in February 2026, where practitioners will explore line states in community through hands-on work, spontaneous movement, and entheogenic support. His hope is to reawaken this dimension of Rolf’s teaching and invite others into its transformative potential

You can learn more about Will at https://www.embodiment.net/

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Today's conversation is with Michael Shea

Michael is one of the preeminent educators and authors in the fields of somatic psychology, myofascial release and craniosacral therapy. He leads seminars throughout the U.S., Canada and Europe.

Dr. Shea received his master’s degree in Buddhist Psychology at Naropa University, and a doctorate in Somatic Psychology at The Union Institute. In 1986, he was certified as one of the first Full Instructors of CranioSacral Therapy by the Upledger Institute.

Dr. Shea has been a Florida Licensed Massage Therapist since 1976, and was an Advanced Rolfer for 20 years. He is a founding member of the International Affiliation of Biodynamic Trainings and the Massage Therapy Body of Knowledge task force (MTBOK).

Dr. Shea brings a unique cross-cultural perspective to teaching health and healing, with a teaching style grounded in a spiritual practice of developing compassion with the use of manual therapy.

He is a formal student of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and past apprentice with a medicine man on the Navajo reservation in Arizona.

Because of the influence of the Dalai Lama, Dr. Shea’s clinical focus is on treating infants and children with neurological problems and developmental delays. This also includes teaching clinical skills for adults that carry pre and perinatal trauma.

In today’s conversation, Michael Shea spoke about his new book, The Biodynamic Heart: Somatic Compassion Practices for a Clear and Vital Heart, and how it brings together his biodynamic work, Tibetan medicine training, and a call for deeper heart connection in what he calls “the era of grief.”

He shared how heart health, metabolism, and spiritual well-being are deeply linked, introducing his biodynamic cardiovascular therapy—combining touch, primary respiration, and the five heart colors from Medicine Buddha practice. These visualizations, he explained, can help unblock pathways, support healing, and lead into dynamic stillness.

Michael reminded us that stillness itself is medicine, and that healing is always here—what we meet in practice is not just tissue, but the living mystery of being.

One of the things you’ll notice early on in this call was of a poor audio connection at times. Unbeknownst to me, my offices internet company was having area outages that day. I was also just back from time overseas and I was a bit jetlagged and you may be able to detect my presence being not as fully present as well as my speech a bit different.
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You can find his new book The Biodynamic Heart: Somatic Compassion Practices for a Clear and Vital Heart at https://amzn.to/3Uq4zFD

You can also find more about Michael here at https://sheaheart.com/

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Today's Conversation is with the amazing and lovable Gil Hedley

Since 1995, Gil Hedley, Ph.D., has been teaching “integral anatomy” in the dissection laboratory, via keynotes and speaking tours, online via his extensive website and membership portal, www.gilhedley.com and via his YouTube channel, "Somanaut." He is the producer of The Integral Anatomy Series, the Anatomy from A to Z Project, and The Nerve Project, as well as being the author of several books. He is based at the Institute for Anatomical Research in Colorado Springs, CO, where he teaches, films, and serves as Board President.

In today’s conversation, we explored how Gil’s decades of dissection and inquiry into the human form have led him toward a deeply relational, perceptual approach to embodiment. We spoke about the evolution of his work, the ethics of language in somatics, and the importance of curiosity over certainty—especially when teaching or touching the living body.

Gil reflected on the metaphorical nature of fascia, the seduction of technique, and the spaces in between structures where life often reveals itself most honestly. We also touched on his recent nerve tour—a unique journey through the often-overlooked pathways of the nervous system—and how it invited both reverence and humility.

Together, we explored the interplay between anatomy and awareness, the practitioner as witness rather than fixer, and how real transformation requires not control, but presence. Gil’s work reminds us that what we touch isn’t just tissue—it’s mystery, history, and life unfolding.

You can find out more about Gil at https://www.gilhedley.com/

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