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Alright you curiouser and curiouser, Herle Burly-ites. I love it when we have a guest who comes back to the podcast. Especially one who gave us such a fascinating hour the first time around.

Just about 4 years ago, deep into COVID, the noted historian and author Margaret MacMillan joined me here. We talked about the pandemic, Trump in his first term, and the relevant historical lessons we could use to understand the context we were in at the time. Well now, here we are again.

Trump 2.0.

Emboldened in every way that could matter. And I use the term “emboldened” almost euphemistically. Everything we thought about the world order in the latter half of the 20th century and first 2 decades of the 21st ... seems to be dissolving in front of our eyes.

THAT is the rather large discussion I want to have with Ms. MacMillan today. And who better?

She is emeritus Professor of History at University of Toronto and emeritus Professor of International History at Oxford University. Her publications have been translated into 26 languages, and she gave the CBC’s Massey Lectures in 2015 and the BBC’s Reith Lectures in 2018.

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