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  • Pete Florence: Generalist, Scaling Laws, Train One Improve All | Turn the Lens Ep46
    Jan 24 2026
    What if training a robot to do ONE thing automatically made it better at EVERYTHING? Pete Florence, Co-founder & CEO of Generalist and former Google DeepMind Senior Research Scientist, joins Jeff Frick at Humanoids Summit 2025 to reveal a breakthrough that fundamentally changes how we think about robot intelligence. The big discovery? Robotics has finally found its scaling laws—just like large language models. At 7 billion parameters, models cross an "intelligence threshold" where more data predictably equals more intelligence. No more hitting walls. No more plateaus. Just continuous improvement. But the real magic is cross-task generalization: when you train on one skill, the robot gets better at all skills. It's not just learning faster—it's learning universally. Pete explains why Generalist is betting on generalist robots (yes, the double meaning is intentional) when specialists have dominated for decades, how smaller models experience "ossification" and literally stop learning, and why reaching a "data-rich regime" of 270,000+ hours of real-world interaction data changed everything. He also introduces fascinating concepts like "physical hallucinations" (when robots confidently do the wrong thing) and why teaching robots epistemic humility—the ability to say "I don't know"—might be more critical than any task-specific training. From his award-winning work on Dense Object Nets at MIT to pioneering RT-2 and PaLM-E at Google DeepMind, Pete has been at the cutting edge of embodied AI. Now with GEN-0, he's proving that foundation models can work in the physical world—with all the scaling properties that made LLMs so powerful. Key Topics: The 7B parameter intelligence threshold breakthroughWhy training one task improves all tasks (cross-skill learning)GEN-0: First embodied foundation model with proven scaling lawsGeneralist vs specialist: Why Pete's betting against conventional wisdomOssification: When models give up and stop learningPhysical hallucinations in robotics270,000+ hours of real-world data and why it mattersThe data-rich regime that enables scalingTeaching robots to know their limitsComparing robotics timelines to autonomous vehicles Guest Bio: Pete Florence is Co-founder & CEO of Generalist, an embodied AI company building foundation models for physical robots. Previously a Senior Research Scientist at Google DeepMind, Pete led groundbreaking research on RT-2 (vision-language-action models) and PaLM-E (embodied multimodal language models). He earned his PhD in Computer Science from MIT under Russ Tedrake, winning multiple Best Paper awards including CoRL 2018 for Dense Object Nets and the IEEE RA-L Best Paper Award 2020. His work has been cited over 20,000 times and featured in the New York Times, WIRED, and CNN. About the Event: Recorded at Humanoids Summit 2025 (December 11-12) at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. The Summit brought together 2,000+ attendees from 400+ companies and 40 countries, featuring leaders from Google DeepMind, Boston Dynamics, Physical Intelligence, and dozens of humanoid robotics startups. Links: Pete Florence: https://www.peteflorence.comGeneralist AI: https://generalistai.comGEN-0 Blog: https://generalistai.com/blog/nov-04-2025-GEN-0RT-2 Research: https://robotics-transformer2.github.ioHumanoids Summit: https://humanoidssummit.com Host: Jeff Frick, Turn the Lens / Work 20XX Episode: 46 Series: Humanoids Summit 2025 Interviews Listen to our full series from Humanoids Summit, including interviews with Carolina Parada (Google DeepMind), Jeff Burnstein (A3), and other robotics leaders.
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    24 min
  • Stop the Slop: Five AI Fundamentals, Smarter Prompts, Real Results | Turn the Lens Ep45
    Jan 22 2026

    Five game-changing AI tips from my training with Kyle "KMo" Moschetto. Discover the RGCOA framework for prompt engineering, why paying for ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini is essential for serious work, and how understanding tokens, context windows, and temperature settings can dramatically improve your results. Practical, tested insights you can apply immediately to get more from generative AI tools.

    Stop the Slop: Five AI Fundamentals, Smarter Prompts, Real Results | Turn the Lens with Jeff Frick Ep 45

    YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOMin0E1BoA&list=PLZURvMqWbYjk4hbmcR46tNDdXQlrVZgEn

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    6 min
  • Carolina Parada: Embodied AI, Gemini Robotics, Delightful Surprise | Turn the Lens Ep44
    Jan 19 2026

    Carolina Parada and the team have delivered Gemini Robotics, Google DeepMind's vision-language-action (VLA) foundation model. Gemini Robotics provides the general-purpose 'understanding' enabling robots to go from pixel to action.

    How do you teach a machine to understand the physical world well enough to move through it, manipulate it, and help people in it, when every case is a corner case, never experienced in training?

    Embodied AI. AI with arms and legs and the ability to interact with the real world. Gemini Robotics is designed to generalize across platforms, so it works for robots that walk, roll, fly, and swim, with any end-effector, be it a hand, gripper, pincher, or suction cup. Gemini Robotics is designed to generalize across tasks and skills to respond to just about any request that the robot receives.

    I sat down with Carolina to explore Google DeepMind's approach to embodied AI at the Humanoids Summit 2025, hosted and organized by ALM Ventures at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California.

    Carolina has been working on teaching machines to recognize and respond to the environment in more human-centric ways, starting with speech and voice, then computer vision, and now robotics.

    At the heart of her work is Gemini Robotics, a foundation model that takes the multimodal reasoning capabilities of Gemini and extends them into the physical world. It's a VLA, vision-language-action, model. Going beyond "how many cars are in this image?" to "dunk the ball" when playing with a basketball toy. Embodiment-agnostic, it can adapt to control any robot: manipulators, mobile platforms, and the quickly developing humanoids.

    Data, Constitutional AI, teleoperation, video training, good candidates for the top concepts covered. But what impressed me more was her description of bringing new people in to experience the robots, inevitably asking the robots to do things they've never heard before, or interacting in Japanese or another language, only to have the robot respond appropriately, creating 'delight, surprise, and joy.'

    That is a robot future I can get excited about.

    Please join me in welcoming Carolina Parada to Turn the Lens, in collaboration with Humanoids Summit and ALM Ventures.

    This interview is a collaboration between Turn the Lens and Humanoids Summit, and was conducted at the Humanoids Summit SV, Computer History Museum, Mountain View, California, December 12, 2025. Humanoids Summit is organized and hosted by ALM Ventures

    Carolina Parada: Embodied AI, Gemini Robotics, Delightful Surprise | Turn the Lens with Jeff Frick Ep 44

    Learn more about Humanoids Summit at
    http://www.humanoidssummit.com

    YouTube
    https://youtu.be/BUH1CysZX6A

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    20 min
  • Welcome Back: New Technology, Horizon Explorations, Human Lens | Turn the Lens Ep43
    Jan 15 2026

    Welcome back.

    The world has changed quite a bit since we launched Turn the Lens. And in 2025, my new episode frequency was not as high as I'd like. For a bunch of reasons, some in my control and some not, I haven't been as consistent as I want to be. And I know consistency matters. I appreciate it in the creators I follow, it matters to me, and it matters to you, our community.

    My commitment for 2026: More. More frequent, more consistent, more solo segments, same interesting guests and topics. More Turn the Lens.

    Part of that means new tools. Not only desktop tools like Claude and Gemini, but also embodied AI tools like the autonomous drone I used to film this episode. It means getting out of the studio more. And it means more collaborations around the events and conversations that matter.

    We're excited to announce a collaboration with Humanoids Summit. Over the next few weeks, we'll be releasing ten interviews with some of the leading minds working on humanoid robotics and embodied AI.

    So thanks for sticking around. Thanks for reaching out and connecting—it means a lot. Get ready for more topics, more guests, and more conversations about the trends that matter. Not just the headlines, but why these developments actually matter to you and me, our kids, and future generations.

    That's what Turn the Lens has always been about.

    Important work to do. Let's get back to it.

    Welcome Back: New Technology, Horizon Explorations, Human Lens | Turn the Lens podcast with Jeff Frick, Ep43

    YouTube:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P8kRL_Px1I&list=PLZURvMqWbYjk4hbmcR46tNDdXQlrVZgEn

    Episode page with transcript and extensive show notes:
    https://www.turnthelenspodcast.com/episode/welcome-back-new-technology-horizon-explorations-human-lens-turn-the-lens-ep43

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    4 min
  • Andra Keay: Robo-Pragmatist, Humanoids, Technological Shifts, Laws | Turn the Lens Ep42
    Sep 18 2025

    Andra Keay, Managing Director of Silicon Valley Robotics, has been at the forefront of robotics research, commercialization, and policy for decades. A self-described "techno-pragmatist," Andra has her pulse on the robotics industry, in the San Francisco Bay Area and around the world. Importantly, she is conscious and intentional to try and get ahead of the big issues we face down the road with the societal shifts coming as millions of robots, humanoid and other form factors, populate more of our world and interactions.

    Andra is pro RoboTopia, and against an AI apocalypse. And robotics offers an insight into the world of AI, as they are AI with arms and legs, removed from the black box behind the screen, but out among us, where the consequences of a hallucination or miscalculation can have physical implications. Industrial robots were behind barricades and safely screens. Next gen Humanoids will work in homes, senior care facilities, factories, and other places with direct interaction with people.

    Andra is a frequent industry speaker, and in fact, we've shared a few panels together over the years, but this is the first time she's visited Turn The Lens so we could really get into it without restrictions.

    And the timing couldn't be better. Humanoid robots are having their moment. Figure just raised a $1B Series C, with a $39B post money valuation. Customers are moving from pilots to commercial engagements. Capacities are compounding at an exponential rate.

    Oh Yeah, and did I mention LLMs and their like have transformed the robot training paradigm.

    The next great wave of technological change is upon us. Humanoid Robotics, AI with arms, legs, and an ability to navigate the world, and do things.

    If you follow no one else, follow Andra to keep up on this part of our rapidly changing world. Subscribe to Robots & Startups on Substack.

    Andra Keay: Robo-Pragmatist, Humanoids, Technological Shifts, Laws | Turn the Lens with Jeff Frick, Ep42

    #AndraKeay #Humanoids #Robotics #AI #TechnologyShifts #Automation #Ethics #RoboticsLaw #TurnTheLens #JeffFrick #FutureOfWork #Innovation #TechPolicy #Simulation #GenerativeAI #GenAI #RoboticsIndustry #FiveLaws #Society #Interview #Podcast #TurnTheLens

    YouTube -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp46AO7aC_4&list=PLZURvMqWbYjk4hbmcR46tNDdXQlrVZgEn

    Transcript and show notes -

    https://www.turnthelenspodcast.com/episode/andra-keay-robo-pragmatist-humanoids-technological-shifts-laws-turn-the-lens-ep42

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    48 min
  • Salvatore (Sal) Mercogliano: What's Going on With Shipping, YouTube Show Review | Turn the Lens Ep41
    Apr 22 2025

    Salvatore (Sal) Mercogliano (Sal), has a Ph.D. in Military and Naval History from the University of Alabama. He served in the Merchant Marine, has been an Adjunct Professor of History/Engineering at the US Merchant Marine Academy for over 17 years, and Chairs the Department of History, Criminal Justice, and Political Science for Campbell University for over 14 years.

    So when something happens with ships, shipping, the US Navy or other major maritime news around the world, I go to Sal to find out what's really going on.

    Welcome to the first in a series of YouTube Show reviews that I hope can shed more light on some of the amazing information sources that operate as independents. These experts bring a wealth of knowledge and experience, a network of trusted colleagues, information on the open source data and applications, with knowledge on how to best use them to draw out the relevant information around a specific incident.

    When you want to get beyond the sound bite, and have a knowledgeable expert walk you through the details, known and unknown, answers and questions, you get a much better picture of what's happening in the world around us. Watch a few, with different sources, and one can begin to triangulate consistencies and patterns.

    So we kick off the series with Sal Mercogliano, maritime historian, former merchant mariner, and the expert behind the YouTube channel 'What's Going on With Shipping'

    Sal's channel 'blew up' with his coverage of the Motor Vessel EVER GIVEN gumming up the Suez Canal, and temporarily halting all global shipping through this most important passage. You'll be amazed at the number of new things happening in and around the oceans impacting us almost every day.

    Salvatore (Sal) Mercogliano: What's Going on With Shipping, YouTube Show Review | Turn the Lens with Jeff Frick Ep41

    #Commerce #GlobalCommerce #Maritime #Oceans #PanamaCanal #BlackSea #TradeWar #MotorVessel #EverGiven #Ships #Tariffs #Panama #WhatsGoingOnWithShipping #Trade #GlobalTrade #USSTruman #Logistics #Maritime #OpenSource #Shipping #Review #SalMercogliano #SupplyChain #SuezCanal #Trade #TurnTheLens #YouTube

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    Transcript and Show Notes - Click Here

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    6 min
  • Project 2025: Briefing doc, FAQ, Study guide, Podcast | Turn the Lens Ep40
    Jan 19 2025

    Trump 2.0 starts tomorrow. 2025 started 19 days ago.
    Remember Project 2025?

    Might be a good time to study up on the subject, at least the basics.

    Not ready to read the full 920 pages? Google NotebookLM can help. I encourage you to upload the PDF yourself, and start asking questions. Sharing mine to help get you started.

    This is the Podcast Google NotbookLM created from the source material.

    Project 2025: Briefing doc, FAQ, Study guide, Podcast | Turn the Lens podcast with Jeff Frick

    Try it yourself

    Google NotebookLM
    https://notebooklm.google.com/

    Project 2025 - 920 page pdf
    https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWpI3YH4NE

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    19 min
  • Exponential Curves: Supercomputer to Smartphone to Singularity | Turn the Lens Jeff Frick Ep39
    Nov 5 2024

    Ray Kurzweil recently released his new book, *The Singularity is Nearer: When We Merge with AI*, a follow-up to his 2006 blockbuster, *The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology*. I had the chance to see him speak at our local bookstore as part of the launch event.

    A central theme of Ray's talks is the exponential growth of computing power—how we're constantly achieving more computations per second at a constant cost. While exponential curves are easy to discuss and graph, understanding these transformations on a visceral level is challenging. How can we fully grasp the scale of change that exponential growth reflects?

    This episode tackles that question, showing the exponential advances in computing power at a fraction of the cost, using examples and everyday objects that everyone can relate to, regardless of technical background.

    We've all heard that the smartphones in our pockets are far more powerful than the supercomputers of the past. But what does that really mean? How can we quantify, visualize, and bring this leap in technology to life in terms that feel real and relatable? We delve into comparisons—RAM, storage, and power usage—to illustrate the mind-blowing scale of progress and explore what these advances mean for the future of computing.

    More importantly, we examine the impact of this rapid growth as we move forward along an ever-steepening exponential curve. Join me as I use everyday items to help us better grasp this extraordinary rate of change, connect with our technological past, and imagine the future as exponential progress continues to shape our lives in profound ways.

    Exponential Curves: Supercomputer to Smartphone to Singularity | Turn the Lens podcast with Jeff Frick

    #AI #GenAI #ExponentialGrowth #ComputingPower #Future #RayKurzweil #TheSingularity #MooresLaw #AIandFuture #SupercomputerToSmartphone #Change #RateOfChange #FutureOfTech #Rice #Chessboard #Curves #Understand #Visualize #TechEvolution #Exponential #5G #T1 #FLOPS #Bandwidth #Storage #RAM #Visualization #TechForEveryone #SuperComputer #SmartPhone #Singularity #ExponentialCurves #SmartphoneVsSupercomputer #Podcast #TurnTheLens

    YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meqrxgy435g&list=PLZURvMqWbYjk4hbmcR46tNDdXQlrVZgEn

    Transcript and Show Notes

    https://www.turnthelenspodcast.com/episode/exponential-curves-supercomputer-to-smartphone-to-singularity-turn-the-lens-ep39

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    23 min