What if you could convert your traditional IRA to a Roth without feeling the tax pain? In episode 99 of the Atlas Annuity Podcast, Marty Becker reveals a little-known strategy that uses deferred income annuities to make Roth conversions virtually painless—and could save you over $110,000 in lifetime taxes.

Most retirees wait until they're forced to take distributions from their IRAs, which means paying taxes when the government decides—often at higher rates. But there's a smarter way. Marty walks through a real-world example of a 60-year-old couple who funds a deferred income annuity with $500,000 from their traditional IRA, creating $80,000 per year in guaranteed lifetime income starting at age 70.

Here's where it gets interesting: during the 10-year deferral period, they systematically convert $50,000 per year to a Roth IRA using internal partial withdrawals from the annuity. The result? They pay just $110,000 in taxes over 10 years at a controlled 22% bracket. If they had waited and let the IRS force distributions, they would've paid over $220,000 in taxes—literally double.

Marty breaks down the math, explains how internal partial withdrawals work, and shows why the years between retirement and age 70 are the golden window for this strategy. If you have a traditional IRA or 401(k) and want to take control of your tax future, this episode is a must-listen.