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Jenny and Sarah rip into the black hole of modern work life: meetings. Endless updates, back-to-back Zooms, and “quick syncs” that somehow eat your entire day. It’s no wonder productivity is tanking.

They break down:

• Why update meetings are the real productivity killers
• The hidden cost of meetings when you factor in salaries (spoiler: it’s a lot)
• How stripping recurring meetings off the calendar could actually fix workplace culture

With plenty of side-eye for the corporate “I’ll give you three minutes back” lie, Jenny and Sarah also share horror stories of leaders who confused talking with working.

If your team’s working nights and weekends because their days are filled with meetings, you’re not leading, you’re clogging the damn pipes.

And if your meeting could’ve been an email, it probably should’ve been.

Highlights:
[01:57] The one-hour meeting that inspired this rant
[04:39] What if meetings had a running cost ticker?
[09:45] Dropbox’s 3D model for meetings (debate, discuss, decide—or don’t meet)
[13:49] The “no update meetings” rule every workplace needs
[17:27] A company that wiped all meetings—and only brought back what mattered
[23:34] Why recurring meetings are the productivity death spiral
[30:36] Your end-of-year challenge: cancel everything and start fresh

🎧 Hit play, because your workplace culture isn’t broken, it’s just buried under bad meetings.

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Jenny and Sarah lay down the leadership boundaries that keep their teams sane, their workdays functional, and their patience intact.

From bosses who brag about “open door” policies but vanish when the tough stuff hits, to leaders who think skipping lunch is a sign of commitment (spoiler: it’s not), they’re calling out the habits that quietly wreck morale, and the ones that actually build trust.

You’ll get:

• Boundaries that protect your time and your credibility
• How follow-through turns you from “just a manager” into a trusted leader
• HR horror stories about leaders who couldn’t manage a coffee order, let alone a team

Respecting your boundaries is the first step to getting anyone else to respect them too.

Highlights:
[00:02] “Non-negotiables” without the corporate handbook jargon
[08:15] When “availability” turns into a 24/7 leash
[19:45] The follow-up that shifted team trust overnight
[34:20] Why skipping lunch is a terrible leadership flex
[47:10] Red flags that scream “don’t follow this person”

What’s your leadership non-negotiable? DM us @‌WTFisBusinessCasual or send a voice note, we might share it in a future episode.

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Jenny and Sarah get real (and a little vulnerable) about what it actually looks like to build something together when your brains couldn’t be wired more differently.

From inner monologues that never shut up to brains that see zero pictures when they read (yes, it’s a thing), they unpack how wildly different mental wiring shows up at work, in friendships, and in every tense “are you mad at me?” conversation they’ve ever had.

They talk through:

• Why friction between “big‑picture idea people” and “process‑first planners” isn’t a flaw, it’s the secret sauce
• How knowing each other’s operating systems changed the way they brainstorm, decide, and stay (mostly) sane
• Why psychological safety isn’t just a buzzword, and why your team won’t share their best ideas without it

And yes, there’s laughter, a few cold‑plunge confessions, and plenty of “holy crap, you see it THAT way?” moments.

Great teams aren’t made of clones. They’re built on trust, tension, and a lot of honest conversations.

Highlights:
[00:02] Inner dialogue, color‑coded days, and the shock of finding out not everyone pictures an apple in their head
[25:10] Why Jenny blurts ideas like fireworks and Sarah needs two hours (and a spreadsheet) to process them
[39:45] That time Sarah felt squashed and Jenny felt shut down and why naming it mattered
[52:00] Quick starts vs. deep thinkers and why teams need both
[1:04:20] What Clifton Strengths taught them about each other (and why “restorative” isn’t just being negative)
[1:15:00] Cold plunges, last‑minute chaos, and how showing up late can still get the job done

Tell us:
Are you the big‑idea quick‑start or the thoughtful process‑first type?
DM us! We love seeing how real teams actually work.

Hit play! Because it turns out, opposites don’t just attract… they build some pretty badass businesses too.