Pam welcomes fashion legend Steve Madden for a deeply personal conversation about ambition, addiction, creativity, and second chances. From sweeping the basement of a Long Island shoe store to running a global brand, Steve shares the pivotal moments that shaped him—including getting sober, serving time in prison, building his company back stronger, and raising three kids later in life. This episode is real, vulnerable, unexpectedly funny, and packed with insight on what it actually takes to start from the bottom, rebuild after failure, and stay grounded through success.

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Pam’s guest this week is Sonny Gurule, an animal behaviorist and founder of Clever Canine Academy, who’s gone from training dolphins in Singapore to pampered Miami pups — including Pam’s very own furry madman, Luigi.

The two share a hilarious, eye-opening chat about how dolphins inspired Sonny’s approach to dog training, why crate training isn’t cruel, and how most dog problems are actually people problems.

Pam also reveals her completely unqualified approach to picking pets (“I choose them like I choose men — he’s cute, let’s go home”) and reads from her Huffington Post essay Living With a Con Artist, about her hyperactive Havanese who once wore her underwear as a necklace and ate her weed.

Together, they break down everything you shouldn’t do when getting a dog (basically, everything Pam did) — and what to do instead.

@pam_gaslow

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This week on Wham Bam Thank You Pam, Pam sits down with stand-up comedian, director, and producer Patrick Holbert, who’s celebrating 17 years sober. Patrick opens up about discovering alcohol in college, the “fun guy” persona that spiraled into arrests and wild stunts (yes, there’s a cockpit story), and the moment a relationship ultimatum finally pushed him toward change. He shares how recovery tools fueled his return to comedy, what it’s like doing raw, honest sets for college audiences, and why vulnerability is the secret weapon for turning dark material into big laughs. Plus: Patrick’s special “Qualification” (Amazon/Apple TV), his podcast “We Hired a Sitter for This,” and the new doc he edited, “Tom Dustin: Portrait of a Comedian,” directed by Joe List. Honest, funny, and zero small talk.

@itspatrickholbert

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