In this episode of the Witnessing Christ Podcast, Pastor Mark Parsons is joined by Molly, Caleb, Aaron, Noah, and Ethan to discuss Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life by Pastor Luke Kjolhaug (or as the interns say—however you pronounce it!). Together, they unpack one of the most honest and freeing truths of the Christian faith: that believers are simultaneously sinners and saints (simul justus et peccator).

Through personal stories, Scripture, and laughter, the group explores:

• Why recognizing our sin and our sainthood at the same time is crucial for understanding grace.
• How Paul’s struggle in Romans 7 captures every Christian’s daily reality.
• Why “progress” in faith isn’t about becoming sinless, but about trusting Christ more deeply.
• The difference between how Latter-day Saints and biblical Christians understand the word saint—and why that difference matters.
• What the lives of Moses, Abraham, David, and Paul teach us about God using deeply flawed people for His glory.
• How a proper view of Law and Gospel helps us rest in what Christ has done, not what we’re trying to prove.

This episode reminds us that being a Christian isn’t about looking perfect—it’s about being honest about our brokenness and clinging to the One who calls us righteous.

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In this episode of the Witnessing Christ Podcast, Pastor Mark Parsons reunites with Molly, Caleb, Noah, Ethan, and Aaron to dive into the Gospel half of Law & Gospel—moving from God’s “alien work” (law) to his “proper work” (good news about a Person). Together they explore how the gospel is not advice or a checklist, but news—objective, finished, and for you.

They unpack:

• Gospel as News (not advice): The message comes from outside us and announces what Christ has already done.
• Gospel as Person: Jesus isn’t mainly an example; he’s the Substitute who fulfilled the law, bled, died, and rose.
• Gospel as Gift: Why unconditional grace offends our need for control—and why that’s exactly what sets us free.
• What the Gospel Gives: Forgiveness that’s paid for, justification that’s declared, and comfort that’s objective (not based on feelings).
• Fruits of the Gospel (not the law): Humility, receptivity, gratitude, love, spontaneity, humor, and real freedom—produced by the Spirit, not by white-knuckled effort.
• Witnessing to Latter-day Saints: Clear contrasts between “laws of the gospel” and the Bible’s announcement that “It is finished.”

Come for the theology; stay for the freedom that lets you stop performing and start resting in Christ—and then love your neighbor with joy.

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In this episode of the Witnessing Christ Podcast, host Pastor Mark Parsons is joined by Molly, Caleb, Noah, Ethan, and Aaron to explore one of Christianity’s most important distinctions — the difference between God’s Law and His Gospel — and how properly understanding that difference changes everything, from personal faith to witnessing to Latter-day Saints.

The team explores:

• How the Law exposes our sin and our illusion of control, showing that “we can’t — and that’s the point.”
• The “Big L” Law (God’s commands) vs. the “little l” laws of culture, performance, and perfectionism.
• Why even good things (like Bible reading or moral behavior) can become crushing when turned into metrics of worth.
• How the Law always accuses — even when we think we’re “pulling it off.”
• Why recognizing our deadness is not bad news but the very thing that prepares us for life in Christ.

Using humor, personal stories, and deep biblical insight, the interns discuss how the Law leaves us desperate — not to destroy us, but to drive us to the One who brings life.

Next week, they’ll continue the conversation with the Gospel section — the “good news from across the sea.”

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